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generalgiap
Joined: 03 Sep 2011 Posts: 95
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, the afternoon tea with the asian expat housewives is so easy, no book, conversation, a few jokes, and 20 mins per lesson is usually eating all the food that they give you. It can get quite boring but who cares. They also rarely ask a question about grammar etc. Its basically tea time and socialising with their friends, it's either at thier apt with a teacher or at the sheraton same price. Oh well, its a bitch but somebodys got to do it.
Belgrove, good to hear that the evening english clubs are going well
I also agree with haller,
came to Vietnam a long time ago where teaching privates was not possible, secret police following you, usd 1-2 per hour for teaching very few cars on the road, some motos but mainly bicycles.This was before the language mills, but have worked in the language mills, enjoyed the experience, have started small businesses outside of Education, some have been successful, luck and hard work, the vietnamese have also taken me to the cleaners-this can happen in any country, after 20 years in vietnam, can speak the language, know the culture, and most importantly, its not what you know but who you know. |
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haller_79
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 145
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| secret police following you, usd 1-2 per hour for teaching very few cars on the road, some motos but mainly bicycles. |
Interesting, so what do you think of the Vietnam of today compared to 'that' Vietnam. |
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Belgrove
Joined: 27 Sep 2011 Posts: 35 Location: Saigon
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:46 am Post subject: |
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You experienced guys who've been here a while may remember English Home years back. I did a little work for them in some of the most beautiful houses in Saigon.
I think their first client was an Agribank director and some staff if I recall correctly.
It was while doing this work I started to meet connected people and I started to work for myself.
I grew to prefer the corporates and I now sub-contract.
Good luck to all.
Stay sober and get a reputation, is about all I can add. |
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generalgiap
Joined: 03 Sep 2011 Posts: 95
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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How to get in the door. First you need a course outline and material.
You can go to fahasa book store in HCMC and it has about 4 or 5 books, English for the hotel industry. The table of contents is the course outline.
Type a one page course outline, write a cover letter to the HR Manager of the hotel, include a one page profile of yourself. Send it to them or deliver in person and ask to speak to the HR Manager. Once you are in the meeting with the HR Manager it is up to you to sell yourself. Fee between 25-30 usd per hour, possibly more, depends on who is buying the books etc etc. |
I should have added, if you do not have the above knowledge, very elementary, you are not ready for the corporate world. Best to continue teaching in the EFL schools. No disrespect. Just a fact. |
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Belgrove
Joined: 27 Sep 2011 Posts: 35 Location: Saigon
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I like about Vietnam, the fact that so many before toyed with an idea but didn't act on it. It makes turning up with the goods such a big attraction to the buyer. The idea is already there so that initial hurdle is out of the way. |
Definitely, presentation is vital.
Privates (and corporates) are where the money is to be made.
Now it's all about hard work and will. |
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TheOmar
Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 21
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:56 am Post subject: Whoa! Reply time |
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| Whoa, some reason I didn't get any notifications about all the replies from this Thread. I'll start replying now...coming soon. I even saw a "Deleted Post" notification from the Moderator! Wow! Sparked some heated discussions did I? My bad. |
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TheOmar
Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 21
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I appreciate the blunt answer actually and I hope I prove you wrong as well.
1 out of the 70 hotels I emailed actually wrote back and said it's a good idea but they don't need a position. They wished me luck though! I guess that's a start?
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I have tried to get this going myself a few times, but it never seems to get off the ground.
There is definately a need, however, most hotel owners are not prepared to pay even a reasonable amount to have their staff able to converse with the "tay".
Something about the "grab the money and get rid of them- we will never see them again" mentality.
I notice Vietnam has just increased its tourist retrurn rate from 3% to almost 5%, whilst Thailand has a steady return rate close to 50%, and their hotel staff speak English.
I think you have a good idea, and it would certainly help Vietnam a lot if you COULD get some interest in it. My experience is they couldn't care less.
Sorry to be so blunt.- I hope you prove me wrong. |
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TheOmar
Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 21
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the motivation! Ya I'm beginning to feel that I'll need to actually GO to these cities and show up personally to these hotels or wherever - resume in hand.
So far I've just been shooting off emails, but that method is a fail.
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Vietnam is a place where someone with a good idea and the will and the desire to implement that idea will succeed.
Always maintain an open mind and don't be put off by stories of previous failures. Vietnam is littered with people who have failed in ventures not properly marketed and sold.
You, and your personality will be the first most important benefit you will put before anyone. Go to the big hotels first and ask everyone in sight just who you should be pitching to. Examine the decision-making structure and criteria that goes with it.
Your first point of contact is the front door of every hotel you come across, you'll stumble, you'll fall, then you'll find your feet.
Remember the story of the two shoe salesmen who went to India and it'll keep your spirits up. Success is in your hands.
I wish you good luck |
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TheOmar
Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 21
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Yes I agree that the language school track is your foot-in-door move to a new city/country. It's a great way to get acclimated to the new locale and culture while earning some money and meeting new people.
Then, after 1 or 2 years if you're good you can branch off to your own thing depending on the contacts whom you met.
Furthermore, it allows you to apply and research whatever private sector English you want to venture into - be it hotels, companies, private lessons, or whatever.
I've been shooting off emails to hotels for the past 3 weeks and get nothing. It's all about showing up in person and having contacts.
Thanks everyone for the valuable info so far!
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Giap's comments pretty much confirm what I suspected. I only ever met two success stories in the Vietnam ESL game, one was a recruiter/consultant, the other one ran privates in his home. As I understand it they both did their time in mills before getting adventurous - that's how they got their money, and that's how they built their contacts. Of course I met mill workers who were relatively happy to be just that, but met more (including myself) who weren't for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum on this board and others.
I cannot imagine stepping off the plane and trying to start up your own business with no local knowledge or knowledge of the Vietnam ESL game - it makes no sense, I believe the correct word for it is 'whim', but according to Belgrove a whim is more than enough because this after all is Vietnam, a magical place where the laws of physics no longer apply. |
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