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xjgirl
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but what next Cormac, what next?
Marry a Chinese woman? With your 10 month contracts and 364 day visas?
Get real, unless you're upskilling in your free time, China is the graveyard of ambition, and soon that happiness you have now will fade away as u realize you're not actually welcome in this country, welcome that is to stay |
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dean_a_jones
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Location: Wuhan, China
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| xjgirl wrote: |
| unless you're upskilling in your free time, China is the graveyard of ambition |
This is a generally good point for FTs to consider, particularly if you think you will be heading back home a few years in the future. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I realise that I didn't give a reason for choosing my university. To put it simply, I wanted somewhere in Xian and close to where I had lived before. I also wanted a smaller university that wouldn't have such office politics regarding foreigners... And I don't. I'm the only foreigner for my university, and frankly I like that they don't really know what to do with me most of the time. rather simple reasons.
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| but what next Cormac, what next? |
I have a plan for three years at university level getting some more experience.
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| Marry a Chinese woman? With your 10 month contracts and 364 day visas? |
Not really relevant to the discussion... which I guess its why you raised it. 
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| Get real, unless you're upskilling in your free time, China is the graveyard of ambition, and soon that happiness you have now will fade away as u realize you're not actually welcome in this country, welcome that is to stay |
Whatever.. I've lived in many countries and ultimately very few of them want foreigners to stay... China is just more upfront about it. As for the graveyard part, your ambitions perhaps.... Mine are a mixture of business and teaching. Very realistic given some time and a few connections I've already made.
Don't pour your disappointments on other people. |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| another teacher wannabe businessman, i see them come and go, usually returning home bankrupt after a 4 or 5 years of struggle |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| xjgirl wrote: |
| another teacher wannabe businessman, i see them come and go, usually returning home bankrupt after a 4 or 5 years of struggle |
it's got nothing to do with you so what's your problem? The man has a plan and a goal. I like to encourage others to achieve things in life, others just like to slag people off and try knock them down for no reason. Says a lot about their character. |
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Guerciotti
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
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Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| xjgirl wrote: |
| another teacher wannabe businessman, i see them come and go, usually returning home bankrupt after a 4 or 5 years of struggle |
Why hack on people with goals? That is truly small.
If you have no goals, you auto-fail. If you have goals you will probably succeed, but there may be a detour or two on the way.
Is it better to have goals, or just relax and go with the flow?
Answer after these messages!
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| i think Cormac can stick up for himself, boys, no? |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| another teacher wannabe businessman, i see them come and go, usually returning home bankrupt after a 4 or 5 years of struggle |
Wannabe businessman? I ran a fairly profitable Internet hosting and Design company while I was in University and also for a few years after. I also have over ten years experience in management level business consulting and was quite successful before deciding I needed a change. And that change was to do teaching here in China. While I was successful in consulting I never really enjoyed the work, whereas with teaching i actually do. And so I believe its possible to combine the two into a successful mix.
The main problem here is with your perception of posters on Daves (there are also a few other problems with your posts). Quite a few of us are not career teachers. We have had previous experience in other fields, and teaching is just a means to an end. Alas it appears that your knowledge of business or rather business markets is extremely limited. Not that you will really admit such.
China is the worlds largest growing market for small to medium sized businesses. Forget looking at forming mega corporations. Small businesses can make serious money here especially if they can combine western work practices with the chinese culture & mindsets. You call China a graveyard for ambition and yet it is also one of the few areas left where people with a little initiative can get successful quite quickly. All you have to do is notice the sheer number of self made millionaires in China over the last 10 years... most without formal third level education, and just taking a chance at something. And the opportunities for opening new services is huge here, considering the fascination the Chinese have with all things western and also the lack of real services for a middle class income grouping here.
You have jumped into this thread with your extremely pessimistic outlook, and have repeatedly shown an amazing level of ignorance. Did you even post to this thread directly to the OPs question? Or just to bring down the ambitions of other people?
I am not a career teacher. I'm not ever going to be because I can't see any point in doing so especially since I'm in my mid-30's and I would need a masters at least, with a PHD probably being required later down the road. Too much wasting of time which can be better spent by using the experience I already have, the qualifications I already have, and the contacts I have made in China. I also don't expect to live in China forever, but to start a company/businesss, stay for a few years, and then move on again.
The last thing I want to say is this. If your life/ambitions haven't worked out, get over it, and fix it. Don't spend your time trying to bring others down to your level.
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| i think Cormac can stick up for himself, boys, no? |
I can indeed, but you should consider the responses you received to your posts from others. You'll probably shrug off what I say, but perhaps if a few people point out how negative you are, you might consider realistically re-evaluating your perception of things. |
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xjgirl
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What has being a career teacher to do with anything?
I'm not a career teacher either. I have plenty of experience in other fields too, big deal.
As for not knowing about business or current business markets or whatever, show me one post of mine that might hint at that, none do.
Negativity, sure, it's negative, but honestly the outlook is very negative right now over here and can only get worse.
You hope to do business in a very skewed marketplace, the table is tilted in favor of the locals. Your bank account could be frozen anytime, your visa denied anytime, your permission to do certain things taken away at away time.
There are lots of millionaires indeed.
All Chinese.
A lot of westerners are losing money in China, the government throws up more and more barriers all the time.
This is just some free consultancy!
wish ya well anyway, I'm not personally trying to attack you.
I find chinalawblog and a good lawyer essential for any china dealings |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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What has being a career teacher to do with anything?
I'm not a career teacher either. I have plenty of experience in other fields too, big deal.
As for not knowing about business or current business markets or whatever, show me one post of mine that might hint at that, none do. |
So your comment that China is the graveyard of ambition was not restricted to talking about teaching careers?
If not, and you're including other careers or initiatives then you are showing a rather strong ignorance, since China is still the largest market in the world, and considering the development of said market, opportunities abound for those with the experience and connections to make things happen. Do some people fail? Of course, they do. As they do in any country. But your statement smacks of something much stronger than the normal risks that are part of any initiative.
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| Negativity, sure, it's negative, but honestly the outlook is very negative right now over here and can only get worse. |
Negative? Across the board? You have no idea of which industry I'm interested in. You're throwing down a blanket statement against everything.
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| You hope to do business in a very skewed marketplace, the table is tilted in favor of the locals. Your bank account could be frozen anytime, your visa denied anytime, your permission to do certain things taken away at away time. |
I am already doing business here. I was doing business in China before I started teaching here. The difference is the amount of business I'd like to do, and the scope.
The funny thing is that all the points you list have zero bearing on my business.
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| There are lots of millionaires indeed. - All Chinese. |
Which does nothing to refute my point.... there are opportunities here for everyone.
Can you prove that they are all Chinese? I'm curious... how much money have mcDonalds, KFC, Starbucks, Carrefor, Tesco, Watsons, etc made in China? I could mention much smaller enterprises but I doubt you'd know them...
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| A lot of westerners are losing money in China, the government throws up more and more barriers all the time. |
A lot of westerners are making money here too... Its business. some people succeed and others fail. Thats normal.
As for the government, it really depends on which province you're in, the type of business you're in, how your organisation is created, etc etc etc. There are many options in China which severely restrict the impact of Chinese government interferance. TBH, the only thing that affects me at this time is my own personal visa, and i'm working on getting a chinese partner in to take over should that become a serious issue... not that its likely to be needed for some time to come.
The problem here is that you're scaremongering... you're talking about possibilities. And anything is possible where the Chinese government is concerned. Which makes such talk/advice like you're providing rather... limited.
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This is just some free consultancy!
wish ya well anyway, I'm not personally trying to attack you.
I find chinalawblog and a good lawyer essential for any china dealings |
The problem with free consultancy is that usually its of no real value... You're not providing any advice thats of any real use to anyone. Instead its rather lame generalisations which are lacking any substance. But then you can't really give any advice with substance because you know nothing about my business, my experience, or those I work with...
As for the lawyer... thats needed everywhere. I'd throw in a great translator as well. |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| oh i don't need a translator. |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| So what business are in you? Irish Pub? |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:17 am Post subject: |
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wait a minute, the genius who signed up for Kid Castle Xi'an is lecturing me in doing business in China  |
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7969
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| xjgirl wrote: |
| wait a minute, the genius who signed up for Kid Castle Xi'an is lecturing me in doing business in China |
Excuse me perfessor . . . I believe you were the one who started lecturing others on here.  |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| So what business are in you? Irish Pub? |
Well, once again you're seeing what you want to see... I've already said that its a combination of teaching and business. Since the majority of my business experience (which I mentioned earlier) is in Management consulting, its somewhat obvious what i'm involved in.
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| wait a minute, the genius who signed up for Kid Castle Xi'an is lecturing me in doing business in China |
Aww crap... I made a mistake in picking a chain school in China when I first started teaching.. Imagine that.
Where did I lecture you on doing business in China? Nowhere. Instead I have pointed out where you have made statements which frankly are extremely limited in understanding but have been made as sweeping statements, including everything and everybody.
It was you that came into this thread and jumped on my post seeking any way possible to destroy what I state. You have provided zero input regarding the original posters thread about universities in China. Instead you picked two of my points and sought to gain applause for tearing at them... Which has back-fired and just shown how ignorant your posting style really is.
You said earlier that you didn't intend personal attacks... and I agree its not personal. Only because you don't know me.. but your posts to this thread are attacks. |
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