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askiptochina
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Location: Beijing
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| By the time people reach college you need to make some assumptions - one of them being they have some idea on how to take notes. |
That's very linear of you. Some students don't maturate fully until their first year of college. They used to go from home to bus to high school to bus to home. When you go to a college, you leave home, fly to another city, meet people from a different part of the country or the world with different customs, experience life on your own without parents nagging you at dinner time, deal time management issues, etc...
I remember the best professor I had assigned homework, checked it, and supported us in our decisions. As a result, I developed a greater awareness of a COLLEGE level course than when I sat in a lecture hall with 99 other students and went to the professor's office to seek help, only to be greeted with, "I am working on my research now, come back later." |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| By the time people reach college you need to make some assumptions - one of them being they have some idea on how to take notes. |
That's very linear of you. Some students don't maturate fully until their first year of college. |
My students aren't freshmen, they're second and third year. Subtract classes missed due to holidays, and exam prep time at the end of the term and we're left with about 14 classes together. There simply isn't time to start from square 1 on everything for everyone.
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| They used to go from home to bus to high school to bus to home. When you go to a college, you leave home, fly to another city, meet people from a different part of the country or the world with different customs, experience life on your own without parents nagging you at dinner time, deal time management issues, etc... |
And when they finally do enter the real world outside of school they'll sink or swim on their own efforts. Plenty of students everywhere else manage to prioritize and manage their time properly and the students I deal with are expected to do the same.
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| I remember the best professor I had assigned homework, checked it, and supported us in our decisions. As a result, I developed a greater awareness of a COLLEGE level course than when I sat in a lecture hall with 99 other students and went to the professor's office to seek help, only to be greeted with, "I am working on my research now, come back later." |
And I attempt to do something similar. I never tell a student "Sorry I don't know the answer to your question" or "I don't have time for that right now." I make an effort to answer every question either face to face or via email later on. Anyone who shirks their duties in this regard isn't a teacher. |
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askiptochina
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| There simply isn't time to start from square 1 on everything for everyone. |
You created a nice box of excuses to be lazy. Now, think outside of the box. The internet is open 24 hours a day. You can provide sites and prepare links with pages (make your own to a certain extent) that will help them be prepared. Up to you.
It's your character. You build it however you want.
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| they'll sink or swim on their own efforts |
Why do athletes have coaches? Why do artists have collaborators? Why do tradesmen have mentors?
Sinking is the inevitable outcome for any individual. Their efforts are greatly enhanced by their environment and the nurturing that surrounds them.
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| I make an effort to answer every question either face to face or via email later on. |
So, then you aren't limited by the 14 classes. Even if you had 14,000 classes, that wouldn't substitute going back to square 1. |
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7969
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: |
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This thread is supposed to be about what comprises a good proofreading checklist, not a criticism of the abilities of those who choose to use one. But I'll address some of your points nonetheless:
1. You have little idea what I do in or out of class, so your criticisms of my abilities or willingness to work are largely unfounded.
2. I provide a lesson, with auxiliary material on the side. It's up to the students to absorb it and make use of it.
3. Why do athletes have coaches? For the same reason students have teachers. To guide them along - not babysit them and hold their hand every step of the way. These are young adults, not children and they should be treated as such.
4. Sinking is the inevitable outcome for those who are too lazy to take any initiative and do anything on their own without prodding. That applies to school, the world of work, and life in general.
5. You may not feel limited by the clock in your ability to get things done, 14 classes or 14,000. For most of us mere mortals we're limited by the fact we only have 24 hours in a day and we choose to not only do our job but also sleep and have a personal life outside of work. Just as students need to prioritize and manage time, so must teachers.
6. You opined that students don't need a proofreading checklist, instead they should be taught to take notes. The two are not the same thing and are not mutually exclusive. You never did say why you thought a checklist wasn't useful, but giving a valid reason would go some way to explaining your thoughts on the matter.
7. Related to (6) above:
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| If you mark all possible things wrong, the student will be overwhelmed by all of their mistakes, they will lose confidence and a starting point to fix their mistakes. |
This is not about marking all possible things wrong to overwhelm students. It's about giving them the tools and the opportunity to find their own errors and to correct them before handing the work in.
8. In the end, over the past five and a half years at this job I've had no complaints from my employer or from the students, and they're the ones that matter. Anonymous critics on internet forums do not.
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| This thread is supposed to be about what comprises a good proofreading checklist, not a criticism of the abilities of those who choose to use one. |
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| By the time people reach college you need to make some assumptions - one of them being they have some idea on how to take notes. |
I agree. You were commenting on what I would use for a checklist. That's why I replied the way I did. |
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Ariadne
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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Can't resist being evil, sorry.
Yu, please write 'separate' and 'capitalization' 10 times each.
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