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JonnyBravo



Joined: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 80
Location: Bogota, Colombia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MNguy wrote:
First,�you�can�tell�me�which�institutes�give�visas?
lived�in�colombia�for�2�years,�but�it�was�a�pain.�average1.2�milliones,�no�CELTA


We already know that IH does, so there is one. I went to EF (I think?) where they said they would sponsor my visa after a month or something, but I turned down their offer because the unpredictable hours were ridiculous.

My institute, which shall remain nameless, had no specific policy to get visas, but I just asked and the boss said she would if we did the paperwork. I ended up leaving bogota for the coast andthen back the states rather than finally getting the visa, but that was just my choice. There were also two different guys I was in contact with who ran their own companies and were willing to do my visa for me if I worked for them.

So off the top of my head I know of 5 companies where you could get your visa, and those are the only ones I knew well enough. I actually do not recall ever speaking to a potential employer who said they definitely would not do a visa.

Also 1.2 is really, really low. Was that a monthly salary or did you get paid hourly?
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spanglish



Joined: 21 May 2009
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Location: working on that

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coningl�s is another institute that claims to get teachers visas. I interviewed with them a few years ago and they didn't seem too bad. IH is a decent first, fresh-off-the-CELTA job. They get you a visa, pay you enough to live modestly (shared housing, eat out every week, travel around the country) and provide a non-abusive work environment. It's not ideal, but it's not bad for a newbie either. They were paying 1.5 million or more/month a year ago for 16 in-company contact hours/week; I don't know what the pay is now.

High end, full-time university pay in Colombia is around 4 million pesos/month give or take a few hundred thousand pesos. That would be at places like Los Andes, Externado and La Sabana. I'm not sure what Uninorte (Barranquilla) and ICESI (Cali) pay, but would guess they are in that range. EAFIT (Medellin) supposedly pays much less and I have a low opinion of their language department (I studied Spanish there). Keep in mind that you may not get paid 12 months a year at a university as vacation breaks may be unpaid. La Nacional in Bogota is another decent paying university, but it's complicated to get on there as a foreigner as they won't get you a work visa.

Keep in mind that these are the good numbers. You can make much, much less if you're willing to do that. The best ESL gig in the country for money is at the British Council with salaries from 4.5 to over 5.7/month (considerably more for senior teachers) and 14 salaries/year. They also provide a very organized, resource rich work environment. Generally, you would need a DELTA and several years of post-DELTA experience to get on with them full time. You'll also work more hours at the British Council than you would at a university.

Supposedly Los Andes and Uninorte require a relevant masters degree for teachers they hire (I'm not sure about La Sabana). The minimum that you would want to get on at a university would be a degree, a CELTA and a some relevant experience. An in-house recommendation, good organization skills, good inter-personal skills, a stable temperament and a proven ability to live and work in Colombia are also good attributes. Some high school experience is very helpful as you will probably be teaching quite young students at a university with a few discipline and maturity issues.

You don't need a visa first before you get any job in Colombia. That's because the visa is attached to whatever job you get and the employer has to do a bit of paperwork to make it happen. Many colegios hire foreigners and go through the process to get them visas. I know this because I worked at a colegio and have friends who do/have as well. Sometimes employers will (erroneously) tell you that you need a work visa before they will hire you. This probably just means that they don't know how to get a work visa for an employee and only want to hire foreigners who already have permission to work via marriage to a Colombian.
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windowlicker



Joined: 05 Jun 2008
Posts: 183
Location: Bogot�, Colombia

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonnyBravo wrote:

Also 1.2 is really, really low. Was that a monthly salary or did you get paid hourly?


Not particularly low for language institute work, and since he said he doesn't have a CELTA I think we can assume that's what he was doing.

I'm with Spanglish on his breakdown of these other jobs...of course, to work at any of these places you need a CELTA or other well-recognized teaching credential, which is why the anti-CELTA attitude in Colombia is pretty self-defeating if you plan on staying in the country for more than a year and hope to do better than working at an institute.

I would only disagree slightly with Spanglish about employers looking for you to already have a visa. The things he says are certainly accurate, but I think already having a visa gives you a definite leg up over someone without a visa. This is because if you already have a visa, it allows you to stay in the country for a longer period of time. In turn, if you've been in Colombia a while it proves you're not just passing through, you can handle life here, and makes you less risky to hire. Plus, if you already have a Colombian school listed on your resume, it makes you seem more like a local hire - the employer probably isn't even thinking about the visa considerations and is more likely to grant you an interview. You can prove yourself in the interview and cross the visa bridge later.
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MNguy



Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if�a�school�grants�you�a�visa�it�is�non-transferable.�you�can't�work�anywhere�else
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The Sand Cat



Joined: 24 Nov 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I have recently completed my CELTA. Apart for the T.P within the course I am a complete newbie to teaching. I have a Bsc in an unrelated field.

I was really interested in starting my teaching career in South America (specifically Chile or Columbia). However after reading a lot of negative posts' I am uncertain if this is the correct choice. I am not interested in saving or making loads of money. All I want to do is improve my level of Spanish and have a modest/comfortable lifestyle.

Is South America a good place to begin your career teaching, or should I rack some more experience teaching somewhere else like China or South Korea?
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