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Mr. Kalgukshi
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TexasHighway
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| "Must be on campus by 11PM when gates closed".... "Must have permission to have guests"... "Must have permission to leave campus".... sound like a private school or a uni to you? |
That sounds like a private school (at least the one I worked at). I have worked only at universities for the past eight years and none of them have had these restrictions. In all fairness, in comparing universities to private schools, one is comparing what are essentially part-time seasonal jobs to full-time year-round jobs. Many uni teachers make a killing doing private tutoring during their ample free time. In my case, I usually use my 3 or 4 day weekends to travel and enjoy other pursuits. And I use my 3 month paid vacations to travel back to the US. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
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| e. university jobs typically don't clutter the contract with all kinds of insane rules and fines for what might be perceived by management as poor performance. Private schools often have these clauses. |
Is that so?
"Must be on campus by 11PM when gates closed".... "Must have permission to have guests"... "Must have permission to leave campus".... sound like a private school or a uni to you? |
You're reaching. No-one at our school has such clauses in the contract/appendix and I've never saw them in any other contract sent to me by a university. There have been a few people on this forum complain about such things but I think those are anomalies. Most people at university jobs will never see these restrictions in their contracts, but if they do appear a simple request to take them out usually suffices. On the other hand private schools are more likely to have clauses in the contract whereby you can be fined if student enrollment drops, if, based on some sketchy criteria, your performance isn't up to par, if you're late for work, and private schools sometimes let spectators (parents of students) watch the lesson or they video your work. Unless you do something really stupid in class (see below) universities generally leave you alone and you won't have anyone looking over your shoulder all the time.
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| c. university jobs provide teachers with SUBSTANTIAL paid holidays. |
Paid holidays are fine, but when the money earned is far less than a Chinese person working at the same job. From their kickbacks, bribes, private classes/deals.. the list is endless. Again: How does a Chinese university professor making 6k a month afford an Audi or BMW? Or several houses all around the country. You're the expert in universities not me so answer it. |
This is a red herring. Paid holidays are fine - Full stop. There is no downside to them and there's no connection between five months of paid holiday for a FT and the salary and benefits for a Chinese professor at any given school. I don't care, and no other FT should care, what a Chinese university professor earns, or how they earn it, as long as we're being fairly compensated for our work. FYI: they're professors, they're Chinese, and they're career teachers/researchers. We're foreigners with garden variety non-education related BAs (most of us) employed on a year to year basis and all of us can be replaced tomorrow. There's the difference.
Maybe those who are so concerned for the welfare of other FTs should stop paying so much attention to what Chinese professors are earning and get their focus back (worry about their own lives and not everyone else's).
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| d. university jobs give teachers free rein in the classroom. |
Untrue, there is no 'free rein'. There are many limits which include large political boundaries, social boundaries, cultural boundaries, economic boundaries... Any uni's that offer me real 'free reign' out there? Sign me up! I'll teach whatever I want and make a killing! |
Every SAFEA contract has basic boundaries/guidelines, respecting Chinese morals/respecting Chinese religious policy et. al., that foreigners must abide by otherwise you won't be working here.
Universities give teachers free rein in the classroom whether you want to believe it or not. I've never seen a situation where a teacher was told what to teach because the teaching plan he/she submitted previously was substandard or went against the "rules." On the other hand if you go into any classroom, private school or otherwise, shooting your mouth off about free Tibet, the Tiananmen square massacre, Ai WeiWei, Taiwan as a country, the brutal treatment of the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize winner, or try converting your students to wacky religious thought then you've overstepped the boundaries and will quickly find yourself alienated from your students and co-workers. I see the SAFEA guidelines more as protection for naive and foolish FTs from themselves rather than hard rules to keep people in line.
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| Can we just agree that the majority of schools, period, don't offer good terms? There are plenty of university teachers making out better per hour than private school teachers and there are private school teachers who are barely making out. It all depends. |
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