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tarte tatin



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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Location: Istanbul
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PC, it would be unreasonable of me to direct my resentment towards the Turkish staff as they do not control the timetable any more than I control the salaries.

What I do resent is my head of department taking out her resentment of one or two native speakers on the rest of us by increasing our workload and breaking her promises, going back on everything she told us at interview and generally dividing and ruling which is her M.O.

I am not lazy and in happier days gladly volunteered for things that would lighten her load and help the department.

The purpose of my original post was to find out whether this situation was normal or exceptional in Turkey, as I have never in 20 odd years of teaching been asked to teach more than my contracted hours without compensation.

The answer is that it is normal, so I can't complain.
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PC Parrot



Joined: 11 Dec 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
tarte tatin wrote:
PC, it would be unreasonable of me to direct my resentment towards the Turkish staff as they do not control the timetable any more than I control the salaries.


That's hardly the same sentiment that was shown here.

otterman olly wrote:
I think the issue of higher pay deserves more attention. Just why do employer pay us more us more than our Turkish partners? basically because we are native speakers, who just happen to know alot more about the language tha them, most importantly, we actually use it outside the classroom, even with the kids, the Turks don't. We also have to live over here and we pay a lot more for everything! we deserve all we get and more because we have to put up with all the bs, we know what it is, they think its normal!!!


TarteTartin wrote:
You make some very fair points Ollie. In addition to teaching, preparing my lessons etc. I often have to proof-read their worksheets/tests etc.

Why would any foreigner put up with the bs in the Turkish workplace for their wages when they could stay home and stack shelves in Tesco for the same money? Also, with the lira so low at the moment, even though my pay sounds high, if I convert it into my home currency it is peanuts. Not important for lifers but for those like myself who are saving up to go home one day, it is.

The Turkish staff resent it because they have to pass more tests and jump through more hoops to get employed and they are often more highly qualified than natives. For example, several have MAs and I don't. I have a lot more experience and I think I am worth every lira but I still understand how they must feel.
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tarte tatin



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sheesh PC Parrot:)

I have a perfectly amicable relationship with the Turkish staff but they have told me they resent the pay difference and the difficulties they have getting hired compared to natives. I am just stating facts here.

I can't quite understand what your problem is with what I have said.

I don't have any resentment towards the staff but we all have resentment towards the management, sometimes for similar reasons and sometimes for different reasons.

What do you want me to say 'working in Turkey is absolutely wonderful, it all smells of roses'?
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PC Parrot



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What do you want me to say 'working in Turkey is absolutely wonderful, it all smells of roses'?


Yes .. that was my point entirely
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Otterman Ollie



Joined: 23 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Luckily most of us live and work in the real world, where the smell of BS is not so pleasant. I have a lot of sympathy with my Turkish partners, as they are generally put on because for them to find another teaching position is going to be harder. Native speakers generally have an easier time of getting work, with a citizenship card its even easier.
Turks have to put up with this behaviour, stuff we would not go along with, but we are guests here so in order not to rock the boat we usually fall in line, I say "usually" but others have a different agenda and can be respected or reviled in the same measure!
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