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Mike_2007
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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In your original list you have PIN. Would you actually say 'my pee-aye-en code'? I've always treated it as an acronym.
What about the ***......er....the ***. Oh, **** it, the I...R...S
Also, EPL, SPL, IRA. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Oops, PIN, that's exactly the sort of item that shouldn't be in the list. Thanks Mike, well spotted.
Thanks to everyone who's posted so far, keep 'em coming. There are a few items that I'm going to need to look up or Google (they don't ring any bells)...perhaps that should be one of the criteria for inclusion (or rather, exclusion) - if an item isn't familiar enough to be immediately obvious to a certain number of teachers (so, if you don't recognize any of the items so far mentioned, just holler!). And there are even one or two items in my original list that I'm now getting a bit hazy on LOL. |
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Guerciotti

Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 842 Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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JD. FWIW, I think JD qualifies, but YMMV.
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voltaire
Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 179 Location: 'The secret of being boring is to say everything.'
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Fascinating topic, Fluffy. I just want to comment that the kind of initial use that bothers me is when saying the initials actually takes more time than the original long form of the words. Case in point: W.W.W.. It's actually fewer syllables and easier to say Worldwide Web, isn't it? There ought to be a law!
P.S. I keep thinking your avatar is rabid bat, but I am not complaining, I'm just saying... |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| It's the WW... ones that made me look like that, Voltaire! |
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Mike E
Joined: 06 Oct 2011 Posts: 132
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| Mike_2007 wrote: |
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| I was looking at BTW before, but when no pronunciation is indicated or to be found in the dictionaries I'm consulting, I err on the side of caution and treat the item as more of a visual~written than a spoken~sayable form (I mean, we don't actually say "bee tea double u" for BTW, and simply "by the way" would be quicker anyhow). |
True, I don't think I've ever heard it used in spoken English. |
I had a roommate who would pronounce it out loud (as "bee tee dub.") Of course, he was just trying to be cool, and I would just write that off. However, those are exactly the sorts of things that do tend to become all hip and in and all over the place. |
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voltaire
Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 179 Location: 'The secret of being boring is to say everything.'
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| I had a roommate who would pronounce it out loud (as "bee tee dub.") Of course, he was just trying to be cool, and I would just write that off. |
Of course the key word in this sentence is trying. Some people wouldn't be cool if they were standing at the South Pole. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Heh, I quite like that 'dub' shortening for 'double u', Mike E. So yeah, maybe your roommate was quite a cool dude! (Edit: I see Voltaire disagrees. This can only mean one thing...Fight! (A running gag on Harry Hill's TV Burp )).
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Pretty much any government will be full of these things.
USDA
USMC
NSA
MOJ
Also, if you're going to use mph, why not open a physics or chemistry book and use all of the units of measurement there?
May one ask what purpose this list holds? |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| @Glenski: For one thing, initialisms can provide extra alphabet and "spelling" practice in a spoken way that isn't too laborious or boring (by which I mean, more graphically-involved items, such as people's names or proper lexical words, can just as easily be written down for and given to the genuinely inquisitive learner, but it would be silly to do so for most initialisms, as what you hear is already exactly how they are spelt). Many of them are also useful vocabulary items in their own right, so they are well worth learning. The main problem could however be not having a judicious- yet representative-enough selection to hand, hence this list I'm compiling. |
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hippocampus

Joined: 27 Feb 2012 Posts: 126 Location: Bikini Bottom
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| I haven't checked, but I wish to add SAT to your list. I find non-native speakers tend to pronounce it the same as the past tense of 'sit'. I find this confusing, and sometimes I don't even know what they can mean when they first say it. So please teach students to say S.A.T. - spelt out. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks, Hippocampus. I was thinking about the SAT, but held off adding it. Interestingly the GMAT on the other hand is apparently pronounced "jee/gee mat". (I guess its having 4 rather than 3 letters has something to do with it). I'm from the UK though, and both items have less currency there at least. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Glenski,
"USMC"
Semper Fi - OOORAH!!!!
Regards,
John |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Good Russian phrase, that! |
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LongShiKong
Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 1082 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:57 am Post subject: |
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This will of course vary depending on where you are but any national TV and Radio stations (BBC, NBC, etc) and any recognizable regional or multinational corporate (IBM, HP, AT&T) and institutional initialisms (UCLA, MIT, etc)
Have you included chemical elements: H2O, CO2, etc? |
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