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EFLeducator
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I know three teachers who live in Puebla.
One works at a German Colegio and gets about 15,000 a month.
One works at the ITESM Puebla campus and gets about 20,000 a month.
The other is a free lancer--who does a lot of work for textbook publishers, her salary varies, but she recently bought an apartment in a historic building so I think she's doing okay. |
Great news and I believe it. 
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| Of course all three are well qualified, MAs in the appropriate subjects (the first one has K-12 certification) |
As are my friends. Having certifications does not always help one in Mexico. Trust me on that one.
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| all three happen to Speak Spanish fluently as well. |
And that helps a Mexican EFL student how? I mean, I know that Mexicans love to spend over 50% of their time in English classes speaking in Spanish  but that does not help them learn to SPEAK English.
Ohh wait! That's right!! The students want to see that their teacher speaks another language because that shows them that it is possible and that their teachers know what it's like to learn another language.
Knowing how to speak Spanish will NOT help EFL students learn to speak English. Most EFL students need English much more then the teacher needs Spanish. |
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MotherF
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DUDE I said it before and I'll say it again--LEARN TO READ!
Where did I say anything about that helping students?
Knowing Spanish helps you get a job, jobs are often gotten through a word of mouth network if you can't speak Spanish you are cut out of that network. And it helps you do your job if your job in any way shape or form involves working with Mexican monolingual administrators, faculty or staff. |
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luckylibrarian
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I am responding to the thread here about Puebla
I received an email that Instituto Heslington needs an immediate teacher in Puebla. Does anyone know about this institute? It is a temporary summer job. I will teach teens and adults.
It only pays 4000 MEX pesos=330 USD per month, free shared apartment and utilities.
Any feedback would be helpful. |
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Tretyakovskii
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Location: Cancun, Mexico
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Having certifications does not always help one in Mexico. Trust me on that one.***4,000 to 6,000 pesos according to my sources. That's BEFORE taxes and you'll be lucky to get paid on time. |
Same song, different verse. OK, we've been warned!
Those on this board who have achieved a measure of success in Mexico will continue to try to help, and encourage, others who would like to try to do the same.
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| It only pays 4000 MEX pesos=330 USD per month, free shared apartment and utilities. |
If that sounds like too little to interest you, keep looking. It sounds like too little to me, too, unless what you're really looking for something akin to a volunteer experience: housing and small stipends are more typical of those. |
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the peanut gallery
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"Help" can be subjective no? Helpfully posting best case situations which are not the norm may not appear very helpful once a newbie plants his or her feet on the ground and are unable to duplicate similar measures of success.
TEFL in Mexico is not a meritocracy. Nepotism and cronyism reign supreme. Being an amazing teacher with an alphabet of certifications doesnt mean one is a sure bet to climb the career staircase. |
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BadBeagleBad
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| the peanut gallery wrote: |
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Being an amazing teacher with an alphabet of certifications doesnt mean one is a sure bet to climb the career staircase. |
I don't know.......that always seemed to work for ME. |
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Isla Guapa
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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Being an amazing teacher with an alphabet of certifications doesnt mean one is a sure bet to climb the career staircase. |
I don't know.......that always seemed to work for ME. |
I was going to add that it may not be a sure bet, but it certainly doesn't hurt either. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Helpfully posting best case situations which are not the norm may not appear very helpful once a newbie plants his or her feet on the ground and are unable to duplicate similar measures of success. |
I love it when someone lays claim to what the 'norm' is.  |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| the peanut gallery wrote: |
| Helpfully posting best case situations which are not the norm may not appear very helpful once a newbie plants his or her feet on the ground and are unable to duplicate similar measures of success. |
Nothing successful about it, amigo. The rose colored glasses perspective on TEFLing in Mexico is being promoted even though that entire message is far from reality.
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| TEFL in Mexico. Nepotism and cronyism reign supreme. |
Both are alive and well in Mexico. Come see for yourselves.
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| Being an amazing teacher with an alphabet of certifications doesnt mean one is a sure bet to climb the career staircase. |
A real career implies real upward mobility and not going from a teacher to an admin, pencil pushing gig and calling it a promotion.
FAIR...& BALANCED. |
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EFLeducator
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| Helpfully posting best case situations which are not the norm may not appear very helpful once a newbie plants his or her feet on the ground and are unable to duplicate similar measures of success. |
I love it when someone lays claim to what the 'norm' is. |
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BadBeagleBad
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| Helpfully posting best case situations which are not the norm may not appear very helpful once a newbie plants his or her feet on the ground and are unable to duplicate similar measures of success. |
I love it when someone lays claim to what the 'norm' is. |
Yeah, I don't think there is a norm, there are just so many variations that contribute to whether you get, or keep, a job. Whether you get raises, or not. Whether your students like you, and refer lots of their friends to you, or not. Almost any scenario can be the norm for a group of people. I can only speak for myself, and maybe a small group of other people that I know well enough to have a good idea of their experience and skills. |
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mejms
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| I love it when someone lays claim to what the 'norm' is. |
But there is definitely a standard salary and job situation for newcomers to TEFL Mexico. Normally, when someone comes here he/she can expect to make between $6,000 and $10,000 per month in any desirable location for most people (cities like Mexico City, Puebla, Queretaro, etc.). Those who find better jobs (1) have been in Mexico longer so have developed experience in TEFL in Mexico (not just TEFL mind you) or (2) are one of the very few percentage-wise who end up in a well-paid colegio or university from the start.
Everyone else coming here should expect a job offer with the above-mentioned salary range. The difference in these jobs will be the honesty and professionalism of your employer (namely, if you get paid what you're owed and on time), how much you like where you're actually working, and if you're employed legally with benefits (often you won't be). But the salary itself won't vary much. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| The difference in these jobs will be the honesty and professionalism of your employer (namely, if you get paid what you're owed and on time), how much you like where you're actually working, and if you're employed legally with benefits (often you won't be). But the salary itself won't vary much. |
On many starting salaries yes...No disagreement there, but that's not what was being referred to.
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"Help" can be subjective no? Helpfully posting best case situations which are not the norm may not appear very helpful once a newbie plants his or her feet on the ground and are unable to duplicate similar measures of success.
TEFL in Mexico is not a meritocracy. Nepotism and cronyism reign supreme. |
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| and you'll be lucky to get paid on time. |
A best case scenario, a worst case scenario...surely people can do better than that, particularly since no one here is teaching in Puebla, or at Instituto Heslington, doncha think? Some specifics would be so much more helpful.
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I received an email that Instituto Heslington needs an immediate teacher in Puebla. Does anyone know about this institute? It is a temporary summer job. I will teach teens and adults.
It only pays 4000 MEX pesos=330 USD per month, free shared apartment and utilities.
Any feedback would be helpful. |
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the peanut gallery
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Not sure i like the inference that those who view TEFL in Mexico as a dead end and are critical of certain market conditions are not successful. Such arrogance!
Guy,
Perhaps norm was a poor word choice. Most common, typical, average, the mean is what i meant. As mejms pointed out there is certainly a normal starting point. That, in my view, is what sometimes can be overstated on this board. All semantics since we may fall on different sides of the fence about working conditions.
BBB,
Congrats on your success, long may it continue! |
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Prof.Gringo
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| luckylibrarian wrote: |
I am responding to the thread here about Puebla
I received an email that Instituto Heslington needs an immediate teacher in Puebla. Does anyone know about this institute? It is a temporary summer job. I will teach teens and adults.
It only pays 4000 MEX pesos=330 USD per month, free shared apartment and utilities.
Any feedback would be helpful. |
That wage is a JOKE! You will live in abject poverty or eat up any savings very quickly.
"Free" shared apt... Hmmm.
What that really means is that instead of paying you enough to rent your own place, the school will control where you live (and with who) and if they decide to fire you (or you quit) you will be without a job and out a place to live.
If, however, you could care less as this is a temp gig, and you just want to hang out for a few months, then sure, it might be OK. But I would otherwise pass on such an "offer". |
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