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| Are Bilinguals Really Smarter? |
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| No, but they can be dumb in two languages. |
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| Yup - at sorting read and blue squares. |
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| Some are, some aren't. |
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| Yes, but they're dumber than polyglots. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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| For someone like me who is proficient in a second language but not bilingual, I wonder what this research can tell me about how my brain functions as compared to brains of monolinguals. |
Isla, I believe the research shows (and some of us demonstrate) that one is better off in terms of less likely/delayed dementia.
Wow, this discussion could get dodgy very quickly from here!!! |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 1520 Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| For someone like me who is proficient in a second language but not bilingual, I wonder what this research can tell me about how my brain functions as compared to brains of monolinguals. |
Isla, I believe the research shows (and some of us demonstrate) that one is better off in terms of less likely/delayed dementia.
Wow, this discussion could get dodgy very quickly from here!!! |
I was hoping that was the case, in the case of delayed dementia, not the start of a dodgy discussion . |
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Zero
Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 1402
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Meh. Whatever is the popular viewpoint of the day is going to get "borne out" in the research. It is quite often amazingly poorly done, and gets right through the peer review process anyway. But hey, people get tenure and they get research funding, so that's good.
I could cite you 25 studies that show that saturated fat is extremely bad for you. Would that make it true? Could also cite you hundreds of studies that various antidepressant drugs are highly effective. Would that make any of it true? |
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sistercream
Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 497 Location: Pearl River Delta
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Who cares if they're smarter or not?
Anybody who has been in a *Mensa (the high IQ society) meeting will know that people can be incredibly intelligent at the same time as totally lacking in common sense/ street smarts. Then there are the fruit-loops ...
* my excuse is that my bilingual mother helped set up this society in my home country - our house hosted any number of meetings. My seriously polyglottal father failed the entry test. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Why Bilinguals Are Smarter |
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By YUDHIJIT BHATTACHARJEE
"SPEAKING two languages rather than just one has obvious practical benefits in an increasingly globalized world. But in recent years, scientists have begun to show that the advantages of bilingualism are even more fundamental than being able to converse with a wider range of people. Being bilingual, it turns out, makes you smarter. It can have a profound effect on your brain, improving cognitive skills not related to language and even shielding against dementia in old age.
This view of bilingualism is remarkably different from the understanding of bilingualism through much of the 20th century. Researchers, educators and policy makers long considered a second language to be an interference, cognitively speaking, that hindered a child�s academic and intellectual development.
They were not wrong about the interference: there is ample evidence that in a bilingual�s brain both language systems are active even when he is using only one language, thus creating situations in which one system obstructs the other. But this interference, researchers are finding out, isn�t so much a handicap as a blessing in disguise. It forces the brain to resolve internal conflict, giving the mind a workout that strengthens its cognitive muscles.
Bilinguals, for instance, seem to be more adept than monolinguals at solving certain kinds of mental puzzles. In a 2004 study by the psychologists Ellen Bialystok and Michelle Martin-Rhee, bilingual and monolingual preschoolers were asked to sort blue circles and red squares presented on a computer screen into two digital bins � one marked with a blue square and the other marked with a red circle.
In the first task, the children had to sort the shapes by color, placing blue circles in the bin marked with the blue square and red squares in the bin marked with the red circle. Both groups did this with comparable ease. Next, the children were asked to sort by shape, which was more challenging because it required placing the images in a bin marked with a conflicting color. The bilinguals were quicker at performing this task.
The collective evidence from a number of such studies suggests that the bilingual experience improves the brain�s so-called executive function � a command system that directs the attention processes that we use for planning, solving problems and performing various other mentally demanding tasks. These processes include ignoring distractions to stay focused, switching attention willfully from one thing to another and holding information in mind � like remembering a sequence of directions while driving.
Why does the tussle between two simultaneously active language systems improve these aspects of cognition? Until recently, researchers thought the bilingual advantage stemmed primarily from an ability for inhibition that was honed by the exercise of suppressing one language system: this suppression, it was thought, would help train the bilingual mind to ignore distractions in other contexts. But that explanation increasingly appears to be inadequate, since studies have shown that bilinguals perform better than monolinguals even at tasks that do not require inhibition, like threading a line through an ascending series of numbers scattered randomly on a page.
The key difference between bilinguals and monolinguals may be more basic: a heightened ability to monitor the environment. �Bilinguals have to switch languages quite often � you may talk to your father in one language and to your mother in another language,� says Albert Costa, a researcher at the University of Pompeu Fabra in Spain. �It requires keeping track of changes around you in the same way that we monitor our surroundings when driving.� In a study comparing German-Italian bilinguals with Italian monolinguals on monitoring tasks, Mr. Costa and his colleagues found that the bilingual subjects not only performed better, but they also did so with less activity in parts of the brain involved in monitoring, indicating that they were more efficient at it.
The bilingual experience appears to influence the brain from infancy to old age (and there is reason to believe that it may also apply to those who learn a second language later in life).
In a 2009 study led by Agnes Kovacs of the International School for Advanced Studies in Trieste, Italy, 7-month-old babies exposed to two languages from birth were compared with peers raised with one language. In an initial set of trials, the infants were presented with an audio cue and then shown a puppet on one side of a screen. Both infant groups learned to look at that side of the screen in anticipation of the puppet. But in a later set of trials, when the puppet began appearing on the opposite side of the screen, the babies exposed to a bilingual environment quickly learned to switch their anticipatory gaze in the new direction while the other babies did not.
Bilingualism�s effects also extend into the twilight years. In a recent study of 44 elderly Spanish-English bilinguals, scientists led by the neuropsychologist Tamar Gollan of the University of California, San Diego, found that individuals with a higher degree of bilingualism � measured through a comparative evaluation of proficiency in each language � were more resistant than others to the onset of dementia and other symptoms of Alzheimer�s disease: the higher the degree of bilingualism, the later the age of onset.
Nobody ever doubted the power of language. But who would have imagined that the words we hear and the sentences we speak might be leaving such a deep imprint?"
Yudhijit Bhattacharjee is a staff writer at Science.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/opinion/sunday/the-benefits-of-bilingualism.html |
John, we would first have to be able to define smart before we get into this conversation.
Does knowing a lot about the world make one smart even if they can't earn more than $10 an hour?
I once knew a lawyer that made good money who thought Taiwan and South Korea were part of the same land mass.
Some people are really smart at what they do, but don't know anything else about the world other than their profession.
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Dear JZer,
The article pretty much "defines" what it means by "smarter":
The collective evidence from a number of such studies suggests that the bilingual experience improves the brain�s so-called executive function � a command system that directs the attention processes that we use for planning, solving problems and performing various other mentally demanding tasks. These processes include ignoring distractions to stay focused, switching attention willfully from one thing to another and holding information in mind � like remembering a sequence of directions while driving.
Why does the tussle between two simultaneously active language systems improve these aspects of cognition? Until recently, researchers thought the bilingual advantage stemmed primarily from an ability for inhibition that was honed by the exercise of suppressing one language system: this suppression, it was thought, would help train the bilingual mind to ignore distractions in other contexts. But that explanation increasingly appears to be inadequate, since studies have shown that bilinguals perform better than monolinguals even at tasks that do not require inhibition, like threading a line through an ascending series of numbers scattered randomly on a page.
The key difference between bilinguals and monolinguals may be more basic: a heightened ability to monitor the environment. �Bilinguals have to switch languages quite often � you may talk to your father in one language and to your mother in another language,� says Albert Costa, a researcher at the University of Pompeu Fabra in Spain. �It requires keeping track of changes around you in the same way that we monitor our surroundings when driving.� In a study comparing German-Italian bilinguals with Italian monolinguals on monitoring tasks, Mr. Costa and his colleagues found that the bilingual subjects not only performed better, but they also did so with less activity in parts of the brain involved in monitoring, indicating that they were more efficient at it.
The bilingual experience appears to influence the brain from infancy to old age (and there is reason to believe that it may also apply to those who learn a second language later in life).'
And, at MY age, this is also interesting:
"Bilingualism�s effects also extend into the twilight years. In a recent study of 44 elderly Spanish-English bilinguals, scientists led by the neuropsychologist Tamar Gollan of the University of California, San Diego, found that individuals with a higher degree of bilingualism � measured through a comparative evaluation of proficiency in each language � were more resistant than others to the onset of dementia and other symptoms of Alzheimer�s disease: the higher the degree of bilingualism, the later the age of onset."
So, within the confines of those parameters, bilinguals may be "smarter."
Regards,
John |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Meh. Whatever is the popular viewpoint of the day is going to get "borne out" in the research. It is quite often amazingly poorly done, and gets right through the peer review process anyway. But hey, people get tenure and they get research funding, so that's good.
I could cite you 25 studies that show that saturated fat is extremely bad for you. Would that make it true? Could also cite you hundreds of studies that various antidepressant drugs are highly effective. Would that make any of it true? |
Read the "The Nurture Assumption" by Judith Harris. She goes into how academic bias can last for a decade or more in universities.
I once read Organizational Behavior: Managing People and Organizations by... Ricky W. Griffin, Gregory Moorhead and found at least 10 factual errors. It really makes you wonder why people pay $20,000 or more a year to attend college.
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Dear JZer,
The article pretty much "defines" what it means by "smarter":
The collective evidence from a number of such studies suggests that the bilingual experience improves the brain�s so-called executive function � a command system that directs the attention processes that we use for planning, solving problems and performing various other mentally demanding tasks. These processes include ignoring distractions to stay focused, switching attention willfully from one thing to another and holding information in mind � like remembering a sequence of directions while driving.
Why does the tussle between two simultaneously active language systems improve these aspects of cognition? Until recently, researchers thought the bilingual advantage stemmed primarily from an ability for inhibition that was honed by the exercise of suppressing one language system: this suppression, it was thought, would help train the bilingual mind to ignore distractions in other contexts. But that explanation increasingly appears to be inadequate, since studies have shown that bilinguals perform better than monolinguals even at tasks that do not require inhibition, like threading a line through an ascending series of numbers scattered randomly on a page.
The key difference between bilinguals and monolinguals may be more basic: a heightened ability to monitor the environment. �Bilinguals have to switch languages quite often � you may talk to your father in one language and to your mother in another language,� says Albert Costa, a researcher at the University of Pompeu Fabra in Spain. �It requires keeping track of changes around you in the same way that we monitor our surroundings when driving.� In a study comparing German-Italian bilinguals with Italian monolinguals on monitoring tasks, Mr. Costa and his colleagues found that the bilingual subjects not only performed better, but they also did so with less activity in parts of the brain involved in monitoring, indicating that they were more efficient at it.
The bilingual experience appears to influence the brain from infancy to old age (and there is reason to believe that it may also apply to those who learn a second language later in life).'
And, at MY age, this is also interesting:
"Bilingualism�s effects also extend into the twilight years. In a recent study of 44 elderly Spanish-English bilinguals, scientists led by the neuropsychologist Tamar Gollan of the University of California, San Diego, found that individuals with a higher degree of bilingualism � measured through a comparative evaluation of proficiency in each language � were more resistant than others to the onset of dementia and other symptoms of Alzheimer�s disease: the higher the degree of bilingualism, the later the age of onset."
So, within the confines of those parameters, bilinguals may be "smarter."
Regards,
John |
That is there definition. I am not sure that society as a whole would agree with it. I am not sure having high mental functions without being to use them for practical purposes makes one very smart. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Dear JZer,
" She goes into how academic basis can last for a decade or more in universities."
I think you probably meant "bias", right? So, the choice seems to be 1. believing academic, researched bias or 2. believing our own anecdotal bias (when it contradicts the academic researched conclusions).
Regards,
John |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Lots of word errors on this thread. Or do I simply have to be smarter to follow some of the bilingualism written above? |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Dear JZer,
" She goes into how academic basis can last for a decade or more in universities."
I think you probably meant "bias", right? So, the choice seems to be 1. believing academic, researched bias or 2. believing our own anecdotal bias (when it contradicts the academic researched conclusions).
Regards,
John |
Or maybe most things and life are not black and white. Thus maybe 75% of human knowledge that we accept as fact is really not so black and white. I don't know that it is 75 percent, but well over 50%. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Dear JZer,
I certainly agree about the "black and white". It seemed to me, though, that you might be being black (or white) about the articles assertions regarding bilingualism.
But that's exactly why I posted "Some are, some aren't" as an answer choice (And it's also the way I voted )
I'm a big believer in grays (or greys), being quite gray (or grey) myself nowadays.
Regards,
John |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Learning two or more languages at a young age no doubt increases your mental agility, but I've read that any kind of academic activity, especially later in life, can delay the possible onset of dementia or Alzheimer's. Perhaps learning a language at any stage in life has the same effect. I suspect those who engage regularly in reading literature probably delay it, too. Of course, if you lose your sight, that's another issue.
I'd not assume the increase in brain activity that comes from applying yourself to studies, including language learning, automatically makes you smarter because of it. I suppose it's possible to be crassly ignorant in more than one language. However, I think being well-read can be an aid in equipping you with the ability to discern, assess and develop the imagination. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Dear JZer,
I certainly agree about the "black and white". It seemed to me, though, that you might be being black (or white) about the articles assertions regarding bilingualism.
But that's exactly why I posted "Some are, some aren't" as an answer choice (And it's also the way I voted )
I'm a big believer in grays (or greys), being quite gray (or grey) myself nowadays.
Regards,
John |
I don't think I really made any assertion about the article. Actually I would say that we cannot define what "smart" really means since their are different types of intelligence and different people and different societies value different different types of intelligence.
More black and white! |
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johntpartee
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| I would say that we cannot define what "smart" really means |
There you have it. Amen. |
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