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Guy Courchesne
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| I believe they require a Masters degree to teach English there, regardless of the subject. |
99% of the time, I think. My girlfriend slipped in with a BeD and some prior experience in Mexico.
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| Basically, you cannot rely on these jobs as your main source of income which is the mistake most foreigners make. Most teachers, especially in the Tec de Monterrey already have years of experience in their chosen industry or are company owners and just teach there as a sideline. However, if this is your main source of income, you won't make ends meet (at least not for 3 months of the year). |
That isn't the case in Mexico City or Toluca. |
Yes, it is. |
What were you making at Tec? |
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MotherF
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To the best of my knowledge it's always been you need an MA to teach university level, but they hire plenty of people without MAs to teach prepa classes.
Also they have some full time year round teachers, and fill in with hourly teachers who are only paid durning the school year.
Different campuses vary on how many full timers they hire--and it seems to depend on how established they are rather than student numbers. About 8 years ago the ITESM campus in Morelia only had one full time English teacher the rest were by the hour and in your first year they would only give you one class a semester so they could "see if you were a good fit". The pay was 150 an hour for 5 hours a week. |
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championthewonderhorse
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Just goes to show that ITESM (like many other unis / language schools) doesn't have a consistent policy... Is it their fault or just the law of supply and demand?
I am lucky enough to be at a campus where the rate is higher .....though it is a shame we are not paid the same as we basically do the same work.
After living in Mexico for over 9 years, I have realised you need a lot of luck to get anywhere here, more so than most places. I was lucky in D.F , but had 3 bad years in Gdl.... now I am lucky again.
In the end it goes to show that the TEFL business in Mexico is a game of Russian roulette and not a game for the faint hearted. |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| After living in Mexico for over 9 years, I have realised you need a lot of luck to get anywhere here |
Right!!!! Not much to do with qualifications based upon what I experienced and MANY TEFLer's who are still teaching in Mexico City. |
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Enchilada Potosina
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| championthewonderhorse wrote: |
| After living in Mexico for over 9 years, I have realised you need a lot of luck to get anywhere here |
Right!!!! Not much to do with qualifications based upon what I experienced and MANY TEFLer's who are still teaching in Mexico City. |
Quite, and as a native speaker your time will be best spent meeting the right people/networking than doing any other thing if what you seek is some kind of long-term career here. This is how Mexico works so forget about employment ethics from home. They will become more of a hinderance than a help. |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
| EFLeducator wrote: |
| championthewonderhorse wrote: |
| After living in Mexico for over 9 years, I have realised you need a lot of luck to get anywhere here |
Right!!!! Not much to do with qualifications based upon what I experienced and MANY TEFLer's who are still teaching in Mexico City. |
Quite, and as a native speaker your time will be best spent meeting the right people/networking than doing any other thing if what you seek is some kind of long-term career here. This is how Mexico works so forget about employment ethics from home. They will become more of a hinderance than a help. |
Right!! Sad that TEFLer's in Mexico have to rely on brown nosing and a delecate network in order to work. That was one of the MAIN reasons I left. Networking is a terrible way for one to have to "make it". Get one genius in the network upset and the entire thing falls.
Networks are basically for people who cannot make it on their own steam. |
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Enchilada Potosina
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Networks are basically for people who cannot make it on their own steam. |
Interesting point EFLed, I hadn't thought about it that way. Explains why a lot of people here seem to 'lose it all' from one day to another, or when there's a change of government... |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
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| Networks are basically for people who cannot make it on their own steam. |
Interesting point EFLed, I hadn't thought about it that way. Explains why a lot of people here seem to 'lose it all' from one day to another, or when there's a change of government... |
Right!!! GREAT point, EP!  |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
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| Networks are basically for people who cannot make it on their own steam. |
Interesting point EFLed, I hadn't thought about it that way. Explains why a lot of people here seem to 'lose it all' from one day to another, or when there's a change of government... |
TEFLers? Or are you talking about other fields?
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| Sad that TEFLer's in Mexico have to rely on brown nosing and a delecate network in order to work. |
Networking = brown-nosing? Networking is building contacts and exchanging information with colleagues within your field. Collaboration. If you're brown-nosing, then you must not be offering anything to the network. |
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EFLeducator
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
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| Networks are basically for people who cannot make it on their own steam. |
Interesting point EFLed, I hadn't thought about it that way. Explains why a lot of people here seem to 'lose it all' from one day to another, or when there's a change of government... |
TEFLers? Or are you talking about other fields?
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| Sad that TEFLer's in Mexico have to rely on brown nosing and a delecate network in order to work. |
Networking = brown-nosing? Networking is building contacts and exchanging information with colleagues within your field. Collaboration. If you're brown-nosing, then you must not be offering anything to the network. |
Incorrect...100%. But I'm not suprised with this message.  |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you're offering your nose, at least.
Given the source, I'm not surprised as to why there's confusion over what networking is. |
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Phil_K
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I think the main reason for subscribing to a forum is to network, so, (according to the strange logic stated above) we are all guilty!
Most of my education comes from seeing what other people are doing, discussing it and seeing how I can add that to my own experiences. |
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Enchilada Potosina
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
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| Networks are basically for people who cannot make it on their own steam. |
Interesting point EFLed, I hadn't thought about it that way. Explains why a lot of people here seem to 'lose it all' from one day to another, or when there's a change of government... |
TEFLers? Or are you talking about other fields? |
Yes, I was referring to other fields.
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| Networking is building contacts and exchanging information with colleagues within your field. Collaboration. |
So it is and this is why I'm hesitant to call it 'networking' in Mexico as if you are 'networking' with Mexicans to find a job it's more like mutual back-scratching. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
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| Networks are basically for people who cannot make it on their own steam. |
Interesting point EFLed, I hadn't thought about it that way. Explains why a lot of people here seem to 'lose it all' from one day to another, or when there's a change of government... |
TEFLers? Or are you talking about other fields? |
Yes, I was referring to other fields.
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Networking is building contacts and exchanging information with colleagues within your field. Collaboration. |
So it is and this is why I'm hesitant to call it 'networking' in Mexico as if you are 'networking' with Mexicans to find a job it's more like mutual back-scratching. |
Tough place you live in. |
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Dragonlady
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Location: Chillinfernow, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
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| Networks are basically for people who cannot make it on their own steam. |
Interesting point EFLed, I hadn't thought about it that way. Explains why a lot of people here seem to 'lose it all' from one day to another, or when there's a change of government... |
TEFLers? Or are you talking about other fields? |
Yes, I was referring to other fields.
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| Networking is building contacts and exchanging information with colleagues within your field. Collaboration. |
So it is and this is why I'm hesitant to call it 'networking' in Mexico as if you are 'networking' with Mexicans to find a job it's more like mutual back-scratching. |
Tough place you live in. |
I hear what both of you are saying, but I don't think it's about being in a 'tough place' to live in as much as (sorry to sound like a broken record) being in a different place (from DF).
Call it collaboration, back-scratching, or call it what IMO it really is - calling in favours.
In corporate Canada one refers to networking as (listening to) WIFM - what's in it for me (radio station). And it really doesn't matter where you are or what you're doing, achieving something through networking hasn't ever been about 'may the best man win'.
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