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mejms
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| It seems a relatively low salary to me |
Relative to what? |
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boomerexpat
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So, if no language school will pay you anywhere near 10K, what will they pay you?
I seldon notice a wage on an ad in Mexico which I suppose is a sign that it is lousy. |
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boomerexpat
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| That's overly pessimistic. |
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| There are lots of sham operations out there to be sure. |
You got that right!! |
One of the things that worries me about Mexico is the fact every Mexican American I've ever known who has done business with Mexicans feels they were all dishonest and that it is much better to do business with US citizens. I've never heard one positive story. |
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Tretyakovskii
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| I've never heard one positive story. |
You haven't talked to me. I've been treated better than I deserved by almost everyone I've dealt with in Mexico (a couple of cranky colleagues, aside!) |
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boomerexpat
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| I've never heard one positive story. |
You haven't talked to me. I've been treated better than I deserved by almost everyone I've dealt with in Mexico (a couple of cranky colleagues, aside!) |
Great to hear. What I was referring to was Mex-Americans living in the US. |
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Tretyakovskii
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I expect it's just as easy to find people who have experienced Mexico and hated it, as those who've experienced Mexico and loved it.
Whether you'll "love it" remains to be lived.
I neither love it nor hate it, but I find a lot more to like about it than to dislike, and have no immediate plans to go anywhere else (I'm at the three year mark, now).
Life for us, here in Mexico, just slowly keeps getting better and better, reflecting a awful lot of effort to help make it that way. |
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MotherF
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Don't you think Mexican-Americans living in the US, need to justify to themselves that their struggles to immigrate have been worth it? This could be conscious or subconscious. But the Mexicans in the US that I've talked to, appear to have this overwelming need to justify to me specifically (an American who has chosen to live in Mexico for 14 years. I don't straight out question their choice, but I represent the possibility that their choice might not be the best one.) That all aspects of life are truely better in the US.
And as Tret said, I find that about 1/3 of the foriegners who attempt to live in Mexico, end up leaving with a negative impression. Another 1/3 is neutral and the remaining 1/3 loves life in Mexico. The problem is it seems to be impossible to no for certain which third you will be until you give it a try. |
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mejms
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| So, if no language school will pay you anywhere near 10K, what will they pay you? |
You should expect $8,000 pesos. You might want to get a TEFL certificate. Courses definitely vary in quality and you likely won't need one to find a job, but the orientation might be useful and the piece of paper will be at least one teaching qualification.
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| I seldon notice a wage on an ad in Mexico which I suppose is a sign that it is lousy. |
These jobs will definitely not have salaries attractive enough to get a foreigner to sign on. Who's going to see $700 US per month and say, wow I need to apply!
But it's livable. |
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mejms
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| You haven't talked to me. I've been treated better than I deserved by almost everyone I've dealt with in Mexico (a couple of cranky colleagues, aside!) |
I've had very positive experience with Mexicans during my six years here... heck, I married one!
People here are nice. But they will also swindle you. They very well might shake your hand with one hand while picking your pocket with the other. 
I wouldn't say that people are dishonest. I would say that in Mexico it's a survival mindset, since government safety nets and handouts, job security, and a host of other things just aren't provided for here.
People here take advantage of a situation when they can. People are unabashedly opportunistic. A taxi driver will charge you more because (1) he thinks that, as a foreigner, you can afford it and (2) you don't know any better.
This isn't exactly considered as dishonest in Mexico. They don't have the same Jeffersonian ideals that we consider as a common sense. Just look at the difference in the history of Mexico versus the US and you can begin to understand how people in each culture view the world. |
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EFLeducator
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| boomerexpat wrote: |
| EFLeducator wrote: |
| mejms wrote: |
| That's overly pessimistic. |
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| There are lots of sham operations out there to be sure. |
You got that right!! |
One of the things that worries me about Mexico is the fact every Mexican American I've ever known who has done business with Mexicans feels they were all dishonest and that it is much better to do business with US citizens. I've never heard one positive story. |
I was lied to CONSTANTLY when I was living and working there. That's just a fact. In fact, that was the first question I asked some people on this forum after I had been living there for a while. I asked why do the people here lie all of the time?
It was a ligitimate question too. I wasn't trying to put anyone down, I just really wanted to know why. Of course the answers I got were...oh it's their culture. 
There's no excuse to be that way. |
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EFLeducator
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| So, if no language school will pay you anywhere near 10K, what will they pay you? |
You should expect $8,000 pesos. You might want to get a TEFL certificate. Courses definitely vary in quality and you likely won't need one to find a job, but the orientation might be useful and the piece of paper will be at least one teaching qualification.
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| I seldon notice a wage on an ad in Mexico which I suppose is a sign that it is lousy. |
These jobs will definitely not have salaries attractive enough to get a foreigner to sign on. Who's going to see $700 US per month and say, wow I need to apply!
Right!!!! |
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EFLeducator
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| People here are nice. But they will also swindle you. They very well might shake your hand with one hand while picking your pocket with the other. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| EFLeducator wrote: |
| boomerexpat wrote: |
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| mejms wrote: |
| That's overly pessimistic. |
| mejms wrote: |
| There are lots of sham operations out there to be sure. |
You got that right!! |
One of the things that worries me about Mexico is the fact every Mexican American I've ever known who has done business with Mexicans feels they were all dishonest and that it is much better to do business with US citizens. I've never heard one positive story. |
I was lied to CONSTANTLY when I was living and working there. That's just a fact. In fact, that was the first question I asked some people on this forum after I had been living there for a while. I asked why do the people here lie all of the time?
It was a ligitimate question too. I wasn't trying to put anyone down, I just really wanted to know why. Of course the answers I got were...oh it's their culture.
There's no excuse to be that way. |
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| This isn't exactly considered as dishonest in Mexico. They don't have the same Jeffersonian ideals that we consider as a common sense. Just look at the difference in the history of Mexico versus the US and you can begin to understand how people in each culture view the world. |
This is probably one of the hardest things in Mexico to figure out in my opinion...Mexicans themselves understand this well and trust/distrust each other on what they hear. We usually see it in the sense of punctuality (what the hell is that?) but it comes out in a lot of other places.
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boomerexpat
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| So, if no language school will pay you anywhere near 10K, what will they pay you? |
You should expect $8,000 pesos. Who's going to see $700 US per month and say, wow I need to apply!
But it's livable. |
I trust what people are telling me about living on 10K a month but help me with the math.
60% of Mexicans are middle class supposedly.
the median salary is 710 a month I believe. EFL jobs are maybe 700 to start which puts them slightly below the median. Seems like upper poverty, lower middle class. Even in Thailand the jobs I believe rank higher than that. |
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mejms
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60% of Mexicans are middle class supposedly.
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Where did you get that number?
I've seen several reports that list those living below the poverty line at 40%.
10 Businessmen hold 10% of the country GDP according to US reports.
Carlos Slim alone accounts for 6%.
The middle class has grown over the years but 60%?
An average salary is $6,000 - $7,000 pesos per month, which is working class.
$10,000 is considered low middle class.
$15,000 - $25,000 is roughly considered average middle class. |
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