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| How long have you been (or do you plan to be) in the EFL/ESL field? |
| Thirty + years |
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18% |
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| Twenty-five - Thirty years |
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4% |
[ 3 ] |
| Twenty - Twenty-five years |
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7% |
[ 5 ] |
| Fifteen - Twenty years |
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15% |
[ 10 ] |
| Ten - Fifteen years |
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20% |
[ 13 ] |
| Five to Ten years |
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13% |
[ 9 ] |
| One to Five years |
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20% |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Dear Glenski,
Hmm, I don't see the problem |
I know.
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| (and I think spiral's answer is a good example of how one might reply.) |
Then you don't need a tick box survey, just thread posts.
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| If you're unable to figure out how to answer, well, I guess the poll will have to manage without your input. |
So be it. I have found far too many forum surveys to be difficult to answer because of poor or confusing wording. Enjoy your data.
As for actually contributing here in a thread post instead, I have been in the game for 14 years and because I'm slightly on the older side, I shouldn't be in it more than another 10 years, but considering personal circumstances, I probably will be. How long is anyone's guess, though. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Glenski,
Hey, congratulations - glad to see you finally figured out a way to answer. As for my "data", well, rest easy. I don't plan to use it for a research paper, so my "poor or confusing wording" should cause no long-term harm.
But I think it's great that you monitor polls on here to try to ensure that high standards are maintained.
Keep up the good work .
Regards,
John |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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I've never taught as a hired professional, only as a volunteer and student teacher (I'd have to guess less than 4 months full-time experience). So I'll put 1-5 years. I was 7 months pregnant with my first when I finally finished my TESL degree and certificate, then moved across the country, now 7 months with #2, all in less than 2 years. I have no idea how I'm going to get into the game, let alone back into it
I do plan on continuing long-term though, who knows how long that will be! |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think the poll is going to be totally out of whack, for each person that posts on this forum, perhaps 10-100 more are reading the forums & never post... Most posters seem to post between 5-50 posts and then I assume they move on from the EFL world, as they are never heard from again.
As the majority of comments show, the most prolific posters are those who have made TEFL a career, either by desgn or by default.
BTW I had no problem choosing a answer or understanding the poll question, I think the poll itself is fun and it's interesting to read the responses. |
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chezal
Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 146
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: |
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I taught ESL for 4 years full-time and 2 years part-time (UK summer schools).
I've now retrained and have been teaching science for 3 years. This last year has been in an International school, where the majority of the students are ESL students, so my ESL teaching has come in useful. |
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it'snotmyfault
Joined: 14 May 2012 Posts: 527
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Glenski,
I ticked Thirty + since I'm now in my thirty-fifth year.
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Dear John
If you have the time I'd be interested (and I'm sure others would too) in seeing a timeline of your career. What was your first job 35 years ago?
Regards |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Dear it'snotmyfault,
Actually, I rather doubt too many (if any) people will be interested. But I'll do it for you:
1977- 1978: Internship in Pasco County, Florida; substitute teacher in Hillsborough County
1978 - 1979: EFL/English Literature instructor: Pahlavi (now Shiraz) University, Shiraz, Iran.
1979 - 1980: Learning ALternative Program teacher: Chamberlain High School: Tampa, FLorida
1980 - 1987: EFL instructor/program coordinator: Institute of Public Administration (IPA) : Jeddah (4 years) and Riyadh (3 years)
1987 - 1989: EFL instructor and program coordinator: International Language Program: Jakarta, Indonesia
1989 - 1994: EFL Instructor and Center Coordinator: IPA, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
1995 - 1996: Senior English teacher: Shiprock Alternative School; Navajo Reservation, Shiprock, NM
1996 - 2003: EFL instructor: IPA, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
2003 - 2008: ESL instructor: Santa Fe Community College, Santa Fe, NM
2008 - 2009: ESL/GED instructor: New Mexico State Prison: Santa Fe, NM
2009 - Present: ESL instructor: Santa Fe Community College, Santa Fe NM.
Most of the times that I returned to Saudi, it was because I ran out of money .
I got laid off from the state prison during my probationary period thanks to the financial meltdown.
It's been (and continues to be) fun. I've been very lucky; I discovered what I love to do and, for thirty-five years, I've managed to find people willing to pay me to do it.
Regards,
John |
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it'snotmyfault
Joined: 14 May 2012 Posts: 527
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Thanks John
I just find it interesting to see how peoples careers have evolved.
Regards |
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IvanaShaanxi
Joined: 18 Jun 2012 Posts: 100
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:05 am Post subject: |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 768 Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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This is my third year (1 year kinder with Middle/High school thrown in) and 2 years University level in China. before this I worked in business orientated roles. I do genuinely love teaching but i don't think I'm good enough to be a professional teacher.
My plan is to continue as an University teacher part time (for my visa) and also because I enjoy my classes, but to thrown my main effort into something non-teaching related. I suspect I'd go crazy if I just focused on teaching, and would grow to hate it eventually.
My mother and father were both teachers for over 40 years, and I just don't have the.... "talent" or "particular discipline" for it.
Still I kinda admire those that do. Its a wonderful profession in many ways despite the many downsides. |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:50 am Post subject: |
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I have been a teacher and am now managing, with a fair amount of 'conversational' input. Assuming the school continues, in spite of the pressures put upon, then I intend to stay until retirement.
Teaching English isn't that difficult. Teaching it well is another matter. |
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scholar
Joined: 18 May 2012 Posts: 159
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| My plan is to continue as an University teacher part time (for my visa) and also because I enjoy my classes, but to thrown my main effort into something non-teaching related. I suspect I'd go crazy if I just focused on teaching, and would grow to hate it eventually. |
Unfortnately, this is not a possible plan. The visa regulations do not allow for outside work apart from the employer who has sponsored your employment. Probably a better plan for you is to enjoy time as a foreign guest in China, and then go back to your home country to pursue other areas. Later, if you wish to come back for another contract, you could do so as long has you have obeyed all policies and are in good standing. This is also a good plan because it allows you to refresh your English abilities by being in a native environment for a while. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 768 Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| scholar wrote: |
| Unfortnately, this is not a possible plan. The visa regulations do not allow for outside work apart from the employer who has sponsored your employment.Probably a better plan for you is to enjoy time as a foreign guest in China, and then go back to your home country to pursue other areas. Later, if you wish to come back for another contract, you could do so as long has you have obeyed all policies and are in good standing. |
Best recheck your facts. I can work legally as long as I have written permission from my University stating that they approve of my external employment. There are also factors regarding number of hours worked and such but its perfectly doable.
In addition to this there is no law (In Shaanxi province) which prevents someone from having a teaching visa in addition to having a registered business. In which case you would have a choice as to how your visa is organised. I have checked this with the FAO from two different universities, and three foreigners who have registered businesses whilst working part-time in universities.
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| This is also a good plan because it allows you to refresh your English abilities by being in a native environment for a while. |
Its comments like this that really do throw out the idea that you're chinese. Refresh my English? lol. That really is insanely naive regarding the impact of the language over 35 years of common usage. |
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scholar
Joined: 18 May 2012 Posts: 159
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| This is called "linguistic drift" where the language user is separate from the main user base for too long and does not learn the new slang and popular phrases and so on. Language constantly changes, you can learn this in a basic linguistic class. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 768 Location: Xi'an (XTU)
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| This is called "linguistic drift" where the language user is separate from the main user base for too long and does not learn the new slang and popular phrases and so on. Language constantly changes, you can learn this in a basic linguistic class. |
I don't need a basic linguistic class to see whats in front of my face.
Language constantly evolves... especially in regards to slang, and the slang from my hometown is vastly different from the slang in my capital city. Nevermind considering the various different english speaking countries and their respective divisions. Then throw in the different generations and their own continous contributions to language and you've got a major mess beyond belief.
In other words, what you're describing is of no real practical value for me as a language teacher. I teach "normal" "accepted" English. Frankly, teaching slang does very little to prepare any language learner and only takes away time from teaching of the mainstream language itself. God knows, removing the confusions between American English, British English, and the various Internet standards of English take enough time by themselves without having to teach slang....
I leave that to the students themselves when they watch TV, Movies or such. If they ask me, and I don't know, I admit that I don't know. Simply because I probably wouldn't have known anyway even if I'd stayed in Ireland or the UK. |
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