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[Sashadroogie]

That's fair enough, all round. But for me there is not too much of a problem including referee details immediately, as we do our own telephone contact details.

Reference letters and reference contact details are quite different things. Naturally, few people would attach the full letter written by a previous employer, unless asked to. That would take up too much space. But a third page tacked on to a CV, listing two to three referees and their contact details, is nothing strange and does not clutter anything.

Nothing strange about a referee being called up two or three years after okaying being a referee. Normal part of the job of being DoS or trainer. Doesn't even demand much memory if proper filing is in place.

Don't know much about the specific teaching situation in Japan, but very unsure as to how relevant that may be to the the OP. May be broadly similar to China in that most candidates have no experience, and so no referees. But that in itself would make the CV appear weak, unless a school was set up to deal with newbie teachers and didn't expect much in the way of background experience.

Not including referees suggests that a candidate doesn't have them. And the phrase 'references available on request' seems to be considered one of those cliches to be avoided.

Anyway, that's why I always include a page for referee contact details.

[nomad soul]

[Teacher in Rome]

The other interesting ramification about the question of referees is that potential employers might even contact your present place of employment. Not necessarily the most ethical of positions, but if your hiring time is short and a candidate has mentioned X place of employment, I can see how a potential employer might take that initiative...