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daniel_hayes
Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Posts: 177
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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On that last point, my grammar. Can anyone suggest a relatively quick way to revise and learn how to teach grammar. I envisage 1-2 single pages, that have the basic info and time-lines and examples, and anticipate problems with the tenses and grammar.
I have Murphy and Aitken, but I can't carry them around with me all the time.
Kind of a condensed 'Teaching Tenses'/'English Grammar in Use' that I can keep with me at all times. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Download an electronic version of any books you don't want to carry. |
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Teacher in Rome
Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 1286
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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When I had to learn grammar for the Dip course, I put each "area" onto an index card, that I then stuck up on the wall above my desk. But once I got into regular teaching, I found that most of the difficult areas for students would come up time and time again, meaning that I learnt "the rules" pretty quickly.
Unless a student is completely stuck, I find that it often helps to ask students to explain the grammar themselves - either as and when it occurs, or when getting them to correct their own homework. Very often explanations given by other people go in one ear, out the other, but if you're asked to come up with (and then test) a rule of your own, it can make better sense. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Sasha,
"A detailed plan should comprise ideas of how to deal with various problems that may come up, so there should not be too much diversion."
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. After thirty-five years of teaching, I don't really feel the need to write down details of how to deal with various problems that might come up.
They've pretty much all come up before - many, many times .
Regards,
John |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| daniel_hayes wrote: |
Really great points on here, thanks! I decided, today, to try and do thorough brain-storming of a topic-area to start. For example we did sport. So, verbs, places, people, and adjectives to do with sport.This was a way to lead-in to the lesson, to elicit what they knew, and to pre-teach some tricky phrases. And it makes the students feel more confident that they do actually know quite a lot about the subject (this was an lower-Intermediate class)
Then I asked them to make sentences, using the vocabulary we covered. I told them the tense and they had to make sentences.This led to some TOUGH grammar questions that I just about answered. But again I think the Ss felt like they were revising their grammatical knowledge in a useful way.
That and some serious Super Stop The Bus action (my own variation on the theme, with extra categories, three letters at once, and them in teams) took-up around one hour from the 2 hour class.
Then I did the coursebook for 40 minutes, homework for 15 and that was it.
I planned far less this weekend, and I think my lessons today were pretty good. Yes, I need to start building up a large armory of games/tasks etc. AND I need to improve my grammar knowledge! But all is going well. I even had time to invent a new game, but that is in the idea-stage for now. |
What is Super STon the BUs?
With grammar I like to make the students work out the rules so maybe I put a few verbs on the board like "go / see / drink / eat" and then I point to each one, "I went to to my friends house" "I saw a movie" "We drank some beers" "I ate a pizza" then I say"You try now!" and get them to follow my lead.
Also I sometimes make a joke about how grammar sounds like grandma.  |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Sasha,
"A detailed plan should comprise ideas of how to deal with various problems that may come up, so there should not be too much diversion."
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. After thirty-five years of teaching, I don't really feel the need to write down details of how to deal with various problems that might come up. They've pretty much all come up before - many, many times .
Regards,
John |
My problem is that I would write down load s of problems which dont come up and then something I didn't expect would come up. Then I'd be like "wait a minute..." ... ... ... .... .... .... ... ... .... .... "Good question let me tell yo the answer next week!"
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| johnslat wrote: |
Dear Sasha,
"A detailed plan should comprise ideas of how to deal with various problems that may come up, so there should not be too much diversion."
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. After thirty-five years of teaching, I don't really feel the need to write down details of how to deal with various problems that might come up.
They've pretty much all come up before - many, many times .
Regards,
John |
Dear Johnslat
True enough, but we were not talking about you or similarly experienced teachers exclusively though. The original poster does not have as many years under his belt. And for what it is worth, with my fifteen years' under my belt, I can still say that things crop up every now and then which I had not expected, or even witnessed before. Learners how have trouble with a word or structure which every other class has never had an issue with; a word or structure which I never really fully understood as well as I had thought; a new variety of crazy person for whom I need to learn to manage as best I can; a different age group that I have not taught extensively before; a new course book which I am not totally familiar with. Just of the top of my head.
The latter cropped up recently. Class was following an activity in their book - an information gap jobby. Was monitoring the learners, all going well, and then pandemonium broke out suddenly. Heated words between students, accusations of stupidity exchanged. Claim and counter claim that wrong information was deliberately being fed to trip up the opposite pair member. The problem? Took me a minute to work it out: there were two slightly different versions of the same edition of the course book, and for this specific the information gap-fill did not mesh with the corresponding version. Would have been hard to see that coming, though it was quickly dealt with.
So you never know Johnslat, you can live in hope that you too will face something new tomorrow. Then you can write it down for future reference.
Regards
Sasha
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Sasha,
Hope I didn't come across as being jaded /blase - I'm still teaching at almost 70 because I love it.
In my case, I spend my most of my prep time writing materials. In my classes, I created the curriculum/syllabi and there's no textbook.
I teach the same classes every session - but I also change ALL the material every session, mainly for two reasons. Especially in my Transitions classes, I get a fair number of students who want to take it again. So, of course, I can't use the same stuff. Also, I learn a lot from every class, what works and what doesn't, what needs more attention, what less. It's a constant refining process, and while it takes a lot of my so-called "free time," I think it's well-spent.
I don't really need detailed lesson plans since heck, I'm the one who designed the whole course and made all the material. I know the objectives (I'd better; I wrote them) and I know how to get the students (well, most of them, anyway) there.
Admittedly, I imagine mine is a special case, but then, as I wrote in my first post, other teachers, especially beginners, would likely find lesson plans very helpful.
Regards,
John |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Johnslat
Actually, I wasn't sure whether or not you are being a little blas�, though your subsequent posting has cleared that up.
However, I'd still be inclined to say that having specific learning aims for any lesson is a good idea. General learning objectives at course level are a different matter. Whether one needs to write aims down on paper every time is again another matter also, but the teacher should have a clear concrete idea of the lesson aim from the beginning. Of course, we may face a situation where that aim turns out to be inappropriate for a number of reasons, and then we need to abandon the plan and improvise as best we can. So to say 'being very specific in one's plans is a mistake' is an idea that I find very surprising. It runs counter to everything I have learnt and been trained to do. Feel free to disagree, but realise that you are going against almost all creditable methodology here.
Just sayin'... hic!
Regards
S |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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I actually agree with both johnslat and Sasha.
I think that having a general aim for a lesson is usually advisable. For me, the heart of the thing is in the verb choice for the aim, which will reflect the kinds of activities and/or tasks the lesson includes.
I think that to state a 'learning aim' might be a bit too far on the prescriptive side in many contexts.
If we say 'students will learn,' we seem to be implying something new that they will actually grasp and internalize and activate and become comfortable with in real time all in one lesson - this is obviously over-ambitious in most cases.
If we say 'students will practice' this can be a bit more realistic.
The verbs that can be applied to aims are obviously many.
Students can:
practice
review
demonstrate
consider
discuss
compare/contrast
order/rank
predict
advise
create
calculate
analyze
construct
deconstruct
research
present
negotiate
role play
etc, etc
and we can provide a secondary clause to the aim which links the lesson to a course or unit
Students will discuss ABC as part of their preparation for XYZ
Students will create ABC to demonstrate their grasp of XYZ
etc......
Actually, I'd say that to state 'students will learn' anything is probably the least realistic lesson aim ever.
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha! Someone's feeling a touch jaded all right, but it doesn't seem to be Johnslat. Hang on in there Spiral! The ennui will pass. Especially after a bottle of the good stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CooAI9ZlYMI
Good points about the vocab for aims. Must use this as a crib-sheet later. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, I'd say that to state 'students will learn' anything is probably the least realistic lesson aim ever. |
I guess this is what you mean? But I think it's true even when I'm feeling all positive and effective I really don't think we can predict exactly what they will 'learn,' and the definition of 'learning' is far too broad anyway.
I'm still going to open the bottle, though I've earned one today, believe me!! |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Hic! While it's true we cannot predict accurately, hic! how much or even, hic! if the learners have, hic, learnt anything, while can still, aspire to this end, and hic, state it on LPs.
Hope springs eternal, from the vodka bottle, and all that hic!
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Mine are quite detailed with lots of alternatives but I am still a very new teacher and I'm not ready to go without them yet. I think it also depends on a teacher's style - some long-term teachers still used elaborate plans, some bring nothing but a whiteboard marker. It is only natural that it depends on the teacher and different plans work for different people. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| It is only natural that it depends on the teacher and different plans work for different people. |
Absolutely.
The other thing posts often overlook is that we teach in a VERY wide range of contexts. This affects everything from student motivation and expectations to materials and goals....and everything else!! It's simply impossible to give some blanket advice on any aspect of teaching that will work everywhere in every context.
I need plans in some cases and not in others. When I use them, they can be as brief as a gum wrapper or in great detail. Honestly, in the past month I've gone from both extremes. It totally depends on what I'm trying to do at the time. |
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