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ssjup81
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| I prefer young kids and adults. Young kids are more impressionable and seem anxious to learn, mostly. Adults are nice because they choose to be there and can discuss interesting topics. |
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Rooster.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| ssjup81 wrote: |
| I prefer young kids and adults. Young kids are more impressionable and seem anxious to learn, mostly. Adults are nice because they choose to be there and can discuss interesting topics. |
I agree, once kids get to be a certain age they don't want to do anything. |
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Vince
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| and with ECC they seemed to imply they'd expect me to hang around for 3 or more years. |
Are the pay and benefits commensurate with that? |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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| Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Rooster. wrote: |
| ssjup81 wrote: |
| I prefer young kids and adults. Young kids are more impressionable and seem anxious to learn, mostly. Adults are nice because they choose to be there and can discuss interesting topics. |
I agree, once kids get to be a certain age they don't want to do anything. |
Rooster,
I've worked with such people. It can ruin your day. I don't know what kind of EFL teaching you're doing but if you teach young learners you'll know what I mean.
It's a dead end trap.
I have had my fill of 12 year old girls and boys who don't want to speak - ye that's where the money is!
My manager keeps telling me - "Kids are our future!" |
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Rooster.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Solar Strength wrote: |
| Rooster. wrote: |
| ssjup81 wrote: |
| I prefer young kids and adults. Young kids are more impressionable and seem anxious to learn, mostly. Adults are nice because they choose to be there and can discuss interesting topics. |
I agree, once kids get to be a certain age they don't want to do anything. |
Rooster,
I've worked with such people. It can ruin your day. I don't know what kind of EFL teaching you're doing but if you teach young learners you'll know what I mean.
It's a dead end trap.
I have had my fill of 12 year old girls and boys who don't want to speak - ye that's where the money is!
My manager keeps telling me - "Kids are our future!" |
I have not worked with kids that age here. Working with younger kids is nice, though. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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Location: Kawasaki
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:23 am Post subject: |
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True.
I have observed elementary students in Tokyo and
I noticed how they raise their hands.
By 7th grade, any interest in learning had been killed.
Teaching elementary is real work, but if you can do it, go for it. |
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milkman
Joined: 12 Jul 2013
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| Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Reading glassdoor gives me the impression that Coco Juku is your typical shit eikawa chain with overbearing management and no clear vision. I actually interviewed with them awhile ago and I got the impression that they think that Eikawa is easy money and were just throwing tons of money into advertising and classroom technology without knowing what they were doing. They also mentioned that they were going to start focusing on kids, I asked them if they were planning on hiring teachers with experience in childhood developmental education and they just grunted something about training people (I'm sure the training is really great and not a waste of time like every other chain).
In the end I was offered a position but declined it due to the bad vibes I picked up, no regrets about that one. Glassdoor also seems to mention what a pain it is teaching classes while having to wear a suit in the hot summer.
Check out the reviews yourself: http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Coco-Juku-EI_IE571513.11,20.htm |
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ssjup81
Joined: 15 Jun 2009
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Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan
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| Every place is different, I"m sure. The only time I have to wear a suit, is if I have to do a company lesson at the actual company. At the actual Eikaiwa, I just wear business casual clothes. |
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milkman
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| What do you think about the rest of the complaints then? Going back on promises, poor treatment of native staff, unpaid overtime, and overall lack of focus? |
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ssjup81
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| That sounds horrible. I know a person who works for Coco's here in Yamagata, but he's never complained. Maybe it depends on the actual branch. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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Location: BFE Inaka
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you think about the rest of the complaints then? Going back on promises, poor treatment of native staff, unpaid overtime, and overall lack of focus? |
I think that is SOP around here. The complaints I read on Glassdoor reminded me of pretty much every job I have had here. Poor treatment of foreign workers, lack of vision, Japanese management who don't speak English and walk around staring at you-yup, that's eikaiwa! |
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rxk22
Joined: 19 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| milkman wrote: |
| What do you think about the rest of the complaints then? Going back on promises, poor treatment of native staff, unpaid overtime, and overall lack of focus? |
I think that is SOP around here. The complaints I read on Glassdoor reminded me of pretty much every job I have had here. Poor treatment of foreign workers, lack of vision, Japanese management who don't speak English and walk around staring at you-yup, that's eikaiwa! |
Pretty much this. Most eikaiwas don't seem to have areal businesses plan and it shows. How many are disorganized, and overly rely on their employees to make up for terrible lesson content and resources? |
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Solar Strength
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand
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| Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| The complaints I read on Glassdoor reminded me of pretty much every job I have had here. Poor treatment of foreign workers, lack of vision, Japanese management who don't speak English and walk around staring at you-yup, that's eikaiwa! |
This has matched my eikaiwa experience also. Japanese managers that look down on their barbarian staff, Japanese office staff that don't speak English and don't like foreigners and gaijin head teachers that don't give a crap about their fellow gaijin coworkers.
Some people I know claim that they work for good schools. Most seem to work for smaller ones, though. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
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Location: Narita, Japan
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| Solar Strength wrote: |
Working at an English conversation school in Japan was never designed to be a career. It was only ever supposed to a 1 year - 2 at most - work abroad opportunity for young English speaking foreigners.
Eikaiwa companies wanted to keep the stream of 20-dumbthings constant and fresh.
However, those that came wanted to stay - permanently. Thus the tension that has existed.
Never was meant to be a career, though. |
nod, nod, nod |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
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Location: Narita, Japan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| mitsui wrote: |
I have observed elementary students in Tokyo and
I noticed how they raise their hands.
By 7th grade, any interest in learning had been killed. |
I'd say it's in rather than by seventh grade. If you work in a Junior High School you can watch it happen.
School day + bukatsu (all-but-obligatory extra-curricular activities, which often demand intense training) + homework + juku; they're exhausted! We can't blame the families, because they never see their families.
Their attitude improves a little in the 3rd year, but they've been transformed from kids who love to learn into teenagers trying to clear hurdles. |
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