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Janek
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 79 Location: Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Forum voyeurs - say hello! Introduce yourselves! |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1080
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Forum voyeurs - say hello! Introduce yourselves! |
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[quote="Janek"]
simon_porter00 wrote: |
Work hard, learn Polish and other languages, do networking, offer language trainings for CS and 10.000 PLN/month is possible.
If you prefer to live the 90s-style-life of a Native Speaker in Poland, then do so. But I have never lived in a country where boozed, unmotivated, aimless people managed to make a living without having to struggle. |
nothing wrong with what you wrote, but here's the thing dude....
take a look at this profession....more specifically, this profession in Poland, for what it really is. for the majority of westerners going to Poland to teach, it's not something they look to do for the rest of their lives, and most do not stay longer than a year or two, and because of that, 10,000 PLN per month is not reality. most don't net half that. for those looking to make real money, they have no business being in Poland for longer than that anyhow, just a stepping stone to bring you to the next level and consequently the next country.
i think most people who have spent enough time in Poland would hear your advice and say, "yeah, you could do that, but why?", to put it plainly.
if you're going to stick with ESL and make a career out of it, put in all those crazy hours to take home 10,000 PLN and all that, why not do it somewhere else where you can make more and work half as much with way way more free time/vacation time? once you get past the hot polish girls and affordable domestic beer, Poland falls pretty short and other countries start looking far more attractive.
for those that just have a hard on for Poland, that's fine and dandy, I dig the place too (although I choose not to live there anymore), but be aware of what the whole thing looks like "on paper" for many many others. |
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oipivo
Joined: 02 Jan 2012 Posts: 163 Location: Poland
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hey dudes,
I've been lurking and doing some light posting since I'm moving to Poznan in January with my wife and two cats. Looking forward to a change from Turkey. I miss my Slavs. |
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iknowwhatiamtalkingabout
Joined: 02 Sep 2011 Posts: 97
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I began my teaching career in Poland and stayed for several years before moving on to hotter weather and good money.
I constantly despair at the negativity on this forum. I'd encourage anyone who's thinking of going into teaching to give Poland a try. Good students, nice places to see, fun to be had. A good starting point for a teaching career. The negative people will insist that the money isn't enough to live on, but that's simply wrong, unless you have incredibly expensive tastes or kids (which your average teacher does not).
You'll not become rich in Poland, but it's a good place to put in a few years of hard work and then move on. My lifestyle in Poland for the years I was there was fine. I had nice flats, I travelled around Europe, I had an excellent social life and I got my career off to a fun start while learning a lot. What the negative people don't seem to understand is that that is what most people who go to Poland want to do.
You won't save money working in Poland, but it's a good place to start. Go and enjoy yourselves, potential new teachers. |
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amisexy
Joined: 24 May 2012 Posts: 78
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="simon_porter00"]Just for the record, which city are you based in?[/quote]
You'd be right in thinking that it isn't Warsaw. I'm currently in Wroclaw, but I may be moving soon.
I also stand by what I say. Things here are generally cheap (with some exceptions). |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Forum voyeurs - say hello! Introduce yourselves! |
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dynow wrote: |
if you're going to stick with ESL and make a career out of it, put in all those crazy hours to take home 10,000 PLN and all that, why not do it somewhere else where you can make more and work half as much with way way more free time/vacation time? once you get past the hot polish girls and affordable domestic beer, Poland falls pretty short and other countries start looking far more attractive. |
Fine, dynow, but which country is that exactly?
A lot of the countries that look 'good on paper' are not places I would want to live.
A job in the Middle East looks as pretty as a picture until you actually go there and begin your 'minimum-security-prison' lifestyle.
Most Aisan cities are dirty, polluted, noisy, overcrowded etc...
South America pays peanuts
Show me a better deal and I'll take it. In fact, I may well be moving on before too long...
But the fact is that 10k/mo in Poland isn't a raw deal.
Those who say Poland is only for booze and blonds obviously had only that on their minds when they were here and never thought outside the box, so to speak. |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1080
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Forum voyeurs - say hello! Introduce yourselves! |
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Show me a better deal and I'll take it. In fact, I may well be moving on before too long... |
you have already left Poland for a while to teach in another country and are looking to get out once again. what were your motivating factors for the first relocation?
you eventually came back. why? |
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simon_porter00
Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 505 Location: Warsaw, Poland
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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the other country didn't want him. something about setting off the sniffer dogs when going through the airport ...
Only joking, I believe his recent departure was a 'summertime only' jolly. His main work is in Poland. If he decides to move on, don't worry I'll be the first to let you know as he'll probably dump his shi... things in my garage again. |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Simon, for the heartfelt offer.
This summer in Vietnam was a working holiday. I knew I was coming back to Poland. Hence I had to leave all my bedding, bedposts covered in notches, and collection of drinking tankards, with the local Porter.
I did leave Gdansk, Poland in early 2008 for Thailand. No plans to return to PL that time.
Reasons for leaving Gdansk:
- my DoS at the time had worked in Bangkok, liked it, and encouraged me to go
- a bad break-up
- I was earning less than 2,000zl/mo. net and was tired of eating rice and beans everyday and being broke the week or two before payday; I wanted to eat rice everyday somewhere new
I didn't go there for the girls. Not one week after I had accepted the job in Bangkok, I met a Polish girl and we ended up spending Christmas together. We kept in touch after a few months later she moved out there with me. She soon found a job she liked and we both spent a year teaching English to kids in big private K-12 schools.
We decided to came back because, though the money was much better in Bangkok and vacations were frequent, the job was mickey-mouse, the city polluted, and the traffic a nightmare. I also wanted to finish my DELTA face-to-face, which wasn't really practical in Bangkok.
Anyway, long story short, the girl is long gone (don't even know where) but I'm still here. I'm actually thinking about relocating to Wroclaw, if I can find a decent job. If not there, who knows? |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Master Shake wrote: |
Thanks, Simon, for the heartfelt offer.
This summer in Vietnam was a working holiday. I knew I was coming back to Poland. Hence I had to leave all my bedding, bedposts covered in notches, and collection of drinking tankards, with the local Porter.
I did leave Gdansk, Poland in early 2008 for Thailand. No plans to return to PL that time.
Reasons for leaving Gdansk:
- my DoS at the time had worked in Bangkok, liked it, and encouraged me to go
- a bad break-up
- I was earning less than 2,000zl/mo. net and was tired of eating rice and beans everyday and being broke the week or two before payday; I wanted to eat rice everyday somewhere new
I didn't go there for the girls. Not one week after I had accepted the job in Bangkok, I met a Polish girl and we ended up spending Christmas together. We kept in touch and after a few months later she moved out there with me. She soon found a job she liked and we both spent a year teaching English to kids in big private K-12 schools.
We decided to came back because, though the money was much better in Bangkok and vacations were frequent, the job was mickey-mouse, the city polluted, and the traffic a nightmare. I also wanted to finish my DELTA face-to-face, which wasn't really practical in Bangkok.
Anyway, long story short, the girl is long gone (don't know where she lives now) but I'm still here. I'm actually thinking about relocating to Wroclaw, if I can find a decent job. If not there, who knows? |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1080
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Master Shake wrote: |
No plans to return to PL that time.
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Why not?
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I was earning less than 2,000zl/mo. net |
why so little? |
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ecocks
Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 899 Location: Gdansk, Poland
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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supposin'........
You had a place to live, only had to pay for food.
You like the cool, damp weather of the Baltic.
Beer is okay but no big deal.
The whole dating thing is behind you.
You can solve the residency permit challenge.
Privates (6-8 classes a week) and the occasional class contract with one of the schools for cash are all you want.
Traveling around in Europe over the next few years to take in the sights, museums and cuisine are your main interest.
All you really need is a thousand or so a month to fund your travel, eat and buy the occasional pair of socks?
Northern Poland doable under those circumstances? |
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sparks
Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 632
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say that's doable, of course what you eat and how much and where you travel makes all of the difference in the world. If you basically only have to pay for food you COULD live on a couple of classes a week, let's say 120 zl. A thousand (zloty?) a month to travel around Europe and eat in restaraunts? Hmmm... that could be difficult. Maybe a thousand dollars. |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:30 am Post subject: |
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sparks wrote: |
A thousand (zloty?) a month to travel around Europe and eat in restaraunts? Hmmm... that could be difficult. Maybe a thousand dollars. |
Where you travel makes all the difference. If you stick to Eastern Europe 1,000 USD should be ok.
But travel to Western Europe and the Euro prices will eat up your zloty (or dollars) all too quickly.
But how are you going to earn even that if you're constantly skipping town to travel?
Trains are reasonable and buses are cheap in Poland, but they're not fast. I've done the Ukraine by bus over a long weekend and I spent almost as much time sitting on a bus (mostly at the border) than I did enjoying myself in the Ukraine.
Dynow, I know you're trying to string me along with leading questions to the conclusion that Poland is crap, the money's terrible, etc. etc.. You should be a psychoanalyst. For all I know, maybe that's what you do now...
If I'd been living here 5 years and was still earning 2k/mo., then maybe I should be institutionalized.
Fortunately, there are opportunities here to earn more, as well as to get training and experience which will open open doors later on. |
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ecocks
Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 899 Location: Gdansk, Poland
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Master Shake wrote: |
sparks wrote: |
A thousand (zloty?) a month to travel around Europe and eat in restaraunts? Hmmm... that could be difficult. Maybe a thousand dollars. |
Where you travel makes all the difference. If you stick to Eastern Europe 1,000 USD should be ok.
But travel to Western Europe and the Euro prices will eat up your zloty (or dollars) all too quickly.
But how are you going to earn even that if you're constantly skipping town to travel?
Trains are reasonable and buses are cheap in Poland, but they're not fast. I've done the Ukraine by bus over a long weekend and I spent almost as much time sitting on a bus (mostly at the border) than I did enjoying myself in the Ukraine.
Dynow, I know you're trying to string me along with leading questions to the conclusion that Poland is crap, the money's terrible, etc. etc.. You should be a psychoanalyst. For all I know, maybe that's what you do now...
If I'd been living here 5 years and was still earning 2k/mo., then maybe I should be institutionalized.
Fortunately, there are opportunities here to earn more, as well as to get training and experience which will open open doors later on. |
Given other income, I'm thinking I'd be able to live pretty comfortably on that thousand a month and dip up some savings when the time for travel rolls around. My preferences are IELTS/TOEFL preps, business English, academic prep and working the occasional conversation groups, maybe 12 sessions a week?
How much would the "average" individual pay for a couple of 80 minute lessons a week of Intermediate or higher? Then what about a small group setup of say no more than 4 students working on IELTS prep? |
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