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[milo7769]

He's a teacher who has now been there for near two years, and a very likeable guy...
Yeah... He's seen the video... He had great reservations about doing it, but he has married a local girl and is just doing all the BS for the time being... Enough said...

[fat_chris]

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[fat_chris]

[buffalobill12323]

To answer some questions from two antagonists above:
1/ I am not the OP... It is my first ever post on this site...



I Never said you were

2/ The treatment on VISITORS VISA would have been the same, weather I was on visitors visa/pending work visa etc.

no - if you are teaching legally you have recourse against mistreatment, however, if you are foolish enough to work illegally, the employer knows he may act with impunity.


As I have already detailed, I was only working there on my way to a job in Shanghai, and was then offered a permanent job...



Irrelevant

It is common for schools in China to employ summer-school teachers, and also teachers on interim basis (during visa processing)... I am aware of the law, but you cannot deny the realities that Chinese schools always want to 'try out' Westerners first...

Absurd - I have worked for several schools in China, and know many others who have done likewise. Whereas a handful of them have been dumb enough in their early days to flout these laws, the vast majority do their research and know better

3/ School DOES have authorization to employ Westerners, one has been there for many years, another two years.



Bully for them irrelevant to your situation.

TO: buffalobill12323

That is very much a self-defeating belief...


More absurdity - the desire to work within the law is very much based in self betterment, far from self defeat


Are you saying that just because some Westerner is assisting a school as a summer-school teacher, on his way to a bigger/better job, that the teacher should be automatically subjected to harsh/unethical treatment?

You were not helping out of altruism, you were, in your own words 'using them as a stepping stone' - they used you in return Quid pro quo


If you think this is acceptable, then you are showing that you are willing to take too much crap from Chinese... I certainly didn't take it: I

I do not think it is acceptable, but I do think anyone silly enough to put themselves in this position deserves little sympathy.

[NoBillyNO]

Current requirements I have seen require the foreigner to have a Z or F visa to be legally employed at a "spring festival" camp.

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Was summer camp mentioned?

[NoBillyNO]

not sure, just came across my desk... I never attend them so didn't consider it much...if something does tho, I will let you know.

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[NoBillyNO]

Me too.....but my program writes a letter that I am need for the sucess of the program. Keep in touch and I will see if I can find out the requirements for Summer camps when they bcome around. I get them from a Human Resources Department of several education companies.

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[BruceLeeWannaBe]

[milo7769]

TO: buffalobill12323
I can see by your long reply (as at: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:51 am) that you have really worked hard to try to justify your self-righteous position.

Quite simply, when people go back and re-read the situation, I believe most will agree that what you see as 'absurd', ' foolish' and 'irrelevant' is indeed, VERY relevant. Anybody who has been in Asia for even two weeks, knows that regulations and laws are enacted in an entirely different cultural manner. So everything is relevant to what has been presented, as most schools are STILL bringing people over to China to work on interim visas... Many poorer provinces even have priority in Hong Kong for this purpose (while other provinces must have the paperwork done in the applicants home country)...

You really don't see anything except unrealistic black and white, so I feel I have to lower myself to help you understand... When I have said 'it makes no difference', here is just one golden example: I was sharing the apartment with a teacher they DID employ full-time, on the necessary work visa, and they treated him the same way --- ie. no washing machine, lots of visa drama, bad teaching practices... So, buffalobill12323, cut the rubbish with 'You deserve it', 'it's all your fault' (etc etc). As I have said, I was only their summer-school teacher, and have made a report of the unethical and unprofessional environment. It really has no relationship to the fact that I was initially working 7 weeks on the visitors visa, the treatment would have been the same, EVEN IF I HAD EVENTUALLY ACCEPTED THEIR OFFER TO STAY-ON... You are so busy being self-righteous, that you seem to have missed many points in my original post.

You are now using very big words to try to pump up/justify your original flaming, that I successfully hosed down... Your words sound impressive... But really, you are spitting out nothing...

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[buffalobill12323]