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Captain Willard
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What you stated was that it was impossible for the OP to pull a runner on the employer. Jaffa explained that it was possible. Also, John mentioned that the OP could feign a death in the family. That might persuade the employer to grant an exit visa for a short visit home. Should the OP then fail to return, he/she clearly would have pulled a runner. Lastly, KSA has many unguarded borders through which the desperate can and do exit and enter the country. I don't encourage anyone to leave the country illegally, but it is possible to pull a runner that way.
None of these possibilities are advisable if the OP wishes to return to the Golden Sandbox, but pulling a runner is clearly not impossible as you wrote.
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| Doing a runner is impossible since the OP has an iqama and would need an exit visa to depart the country. Plus, the employer could be holding his/her passport. |
This isn't true. I always have a 6 month exit/re-entry visa and keep my passport, although we are supposed to hand it in. They squealed at first until I told them it was illegal to keep an employee's passport. This works for me as a white westerner but Asian employees probably wouldn't get away with that. |
You mean, that's not true in your situation. But that's not the reality for everyone, which is why I stated that the OP's employer could be holding his/her passport. Some employers claim it's "company policy" despite what the law says. |
In my humble opinion, if the employer refuses to pay the earned holiday pay/bonus, the employer is not likely to give a favorable reference or grant a letter of no objection. (Many of the bottom feeders won't regardless of how good the employee was.) So, the OP really doesn't have anything to lose at this point, and probably needs to "wash" the old passport to return. When diplomacy fails, all available options are on the table.
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| Since you've been with this employer for more than a year, you'll very likely have to put them down as a recent employment reference when applying for your next TEFL job. Try to leave as diplomatically as possible. |
Exactly, that is it. It takes two to tango!
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| Why would I bother to give my Saudi employer notice if they cannot even extend to me the trust of giving me my vacation pay which they have promised in a contract? Two can dance the broken contract tango. |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:10 am Post subject: Re: Resigning without giving notice. Advice? |
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| In fact, other Gulf countries will sometimes give you an advance on your vacation pay, so that you can relax and enjoy your well-deserved vacation and come back refreshed and ready to teach. |
Every employer that I had in the rest of the Gulf (Kuwait, Oman, UAE) all paid us our summer pay before we went on summer leave. I have always assumed that it was standard procedure certainly for university employers, but leave it to Saudi to make a more abusive choice.
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| Every employer that I had in the rest of the Gulf (Kuwait, Oman, UAE) all paid us our summer pay before we went on summer leave. I have always assumed that it was standard procedure certainly for university employers, but leave it to Saudi to make a more abusive choice. |
This doesn't reflect all Saudi employers, VS; mine pays in advance for our 2-month summer leave. But that's more likely to be the case for direct hires and not those working for contracting companies.
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What you stated was that it was impossible for the OP to pull a runner on the employer. Jaffa explained that it was possible. Also, John mentioned that the OP could feign a death in the family. That might persuade the employer to grant an exit visa for a short visit home. Should the OP then fail to return, he/she clearly would have pulled a runner. Lastly, KSA has many unguarded borders through which the desperate can and do exit and enter the country. I don't encourage anyone to leave the country illegally, but it is possible to pull a runner that way.
None of these possibilities are advisable if the OP wishes to return to the Golden Sandbox, but pulling a runner is clearly not impossible as you wrote. |
As for doing a runner, there are several 'ifs' in play. So maybe not completely impossible, but I agree, it's certainly not advisable unless you're desperate. But this isn't the OP's issue, who believes she/he is entitled to holiday pay and wants to be paid that money before departing. Anyway, we still don't know the full picture of the OP's situation in regard to what the contract states. |
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isabel
Joined: 07 Mar 2003
Posts: 510
Location: God's green earth
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Resigning without giving notice. Advice? |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| Gulezar wrote: |
| In fact, other Gulf countries will sometimes give you an advance on your vacation pay, so that you can relax and enjoy your well-deserved vacation and come back refreshed and ready to teach. |
Every employer that I had in the rest of the Gulf (Kuwait, Oman, UAE) all paid us our summer pay before we went on summer leave. I have always assumed that it was standard procedure certainly for university employers, but leave it to Saudi to make a more abusive choice.
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When I was there, at Prince Mohammad University, we were not given summer pay in advance. In fact, we had to be back at the end of August, and didn't get paid ANYTHING until October.
As for leaving on short notice, well, the only way I know of the get away with it is to pull a runner, and then you must have a multiple entry visa. If you have no exit visa, you aren't going anywhere. I had a friend who gave 6 weeks notice a few years back. He checked out fully with the university. When he got to the border of Bahrain, he was hauled back because the uni had cancelled his exit visa. He had to pay the university 2 months' pay to buy out his contract before they would let him leave.
Unless you are a masochist or really under qualified for any where else, I would not worry about returning to the Kingdom. My friends are under strict orders to shoot me if I even ever consider returning. (I am assuming I would only consider such a thing if I were extremely mentally deranged, so they would be putting me out of everyone's misery). |
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jaffa
Joined: 25 Oct 2012
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Just looked at my contract - government job - and found that if I do resign, I only receive 1/3 of money owed to me. That money is end of contract bonus plus outstanding holiday allowance. Also get flight ticket if I leave next year. If I leave this year I don't get it as I've already taken one for summer vacation. So, check your contract.
Not that I'm thinking of resigning, but the across the open border way out sounds like fun! Are you sure there isn't a laser beam, or such like? If successful, you could probably make up any money lost by selling the story to The Sun. |
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scot47
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| At KFUPM. one of the better employers. the practice has been to pay some summer salary in advance, with the balance of one month paid on the normal payday in August. This can be accessed by ATM from outside KSA. Those leaving for good are paid their full summer entitlement and gratuity before they go. |
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billings
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: leaving without giving ntice |
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Assuming you have an exit/reentry visa, either 1) cut your losses and leave (guaranteed you will get NOTHING from the company - even if you give 30-days notice). Actually, some companies will withhold your passport and CHARGE you for recruitment costs/medicals etc.!!!
2) minimise losses and leave first of the month when you have your pay! Do not tell any friends you are leaving!!!
3) complete contract (one year??) and then leave after giving more than 30 days! - give them time to sort everything out! |
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