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choudoufu
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| wonderingjoesmith wrote: |
| Aren't local agreements lower in character and alarming? I guess this is what the forum's about, isn't it? |
once more......in english, please. |
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Denim-Maniac
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| If you feel it's harsh renegotiate. If that doesn't work to your advantage look elsewhere. |
+1
Signing a contract and starting a job when you have clear concerns and are uncomfortable with parts of your employers expectations is asking for trouble IMHO. The negotiation of these mysterious clauses may not be possible ... what makes you nervous may be perfectly acceptable to me and other employees and so not all things can be negotiated. |
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wonderingjoesmith
Joined: 19 Aug 2012
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Location: Guangzhou
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| wonderingjoesmith wrote: |
| Aren't local agreements lower in character and alarming? I guess this is what the forum's about, isn't it? |
once more......in english, please. |
Here below (once more) in ENGRISH
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Javelin of Radiance replied to a poster on a topic;
I call BS on this. Dave's is easily the most well known and most visited site for ESL teachers and the number of complaints on here is miniscule compared to the size of the Chinese ESL market. It's already been pointed out that many of the complaints that do appear here are by the same people or posters who get banned and reappear with a new name but same complaints. There are other ESL sites but with less traffic than this one. If you're aware of thousands of unhappy people posting their complaints online where can we find them? Wouldn't they post their stories where they'd get the widest audience? Your previous post was massive hyperbole.
China can be a minefield for newbies but sites like this one, with experienced members ready to pass on helpful advice, can be the mine detector that helps most people avoid most problems.
Javelin of Radiance self-echoic re-statement;
China can be a minefield for newbies but sites like this one, with experienced members ready to pass on helpful advice, can help most people avoid most problems. What this site cannot do is prevent people from making stupid decisions like coming over on the wrong visa and working illegally, or taking a job with terrible conditions that were spelled out in a contract that someone didn't bother to read. I've been on this forum awhile now and I see the occasional job that went pear shaped for someone but not "many thousands" of them.
Javelin of Radiance shared experiences;
I hear complaints about working in China everyday. The water went out over the weekend, no-one told me beforehand. Internet was spotty for a few days. Salary was a day or a few days late. Students are unresponsive. I had to work Saturday so I could get the Monday holiday off. I was told I had to go to English corner every week. My apartment is next door to a drum school. My FAO doesn't respond to emails within 48 hours of me sending them. This is typical workplace banter that everyone complains about at some point, but it's not the stuff of awful employers.
Do I hear people complain about working for an awful employer who withholds their salary? Provides a shithole for an apartment? Takes away their passports and refuses to return them? Abuses them verbally or physically? No. Because most employers are not doing these things, and if they were this forum would be lit up with the stories.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=99577&start=30
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IN ENGRISH, the points are that winding people up on forums does not serve the majority but a few, that forums are resourceful and that there are some who actually look for a friendly place. Discouraging people from coming forward with what they have to say limits plenty.
It really seems there's a hell lot more that makes some old-timers "nervous", not only "these mysterious clauses" suggested. The OP has come up with a fair inquiry and indicated justly what is concerning. A one-year contract isn't an acceptable or unacceptable piece of meat but legal agreement which ought to be professional. |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| wonderingjoesmith wrote: |
| choudoufu wrote: |
| wonderingjoesmith wrote: |
| Aren't local agreements lower in character and alarming? I guess this is what the forum's about, isn't it? |
once more......in english, please. |
Here below (once more) in ENGRISH
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{several quotes that don't appear in this thread, and don't seem to apply to the situation}
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IN ENGRISH, the points are that winding people up on forums does not serve the majority but a few, that forums are resourceful and that there are some who actually look for a friendly place. Discouraging people from coming forward with what they have to say limits plenty.
It really seems there's a hell lot more that makes some old-timers "nervous", not only "these mysterious clauses" suggested. The OP has come up with a fair inquiry and indicated justly what is concerning. A one-year contract isn't an acceptable or unacceptable piece of meat but legal agreement which ought to be professional. |
thanks for that explanation, but i still have no idear what "Aren't local agreements lower in character and alarming?" means. |
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Javelin of Radiance
Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| choudoufu wrote: |
| wonderingjoesmith wrote: |
| choudoufu wrote: |
| wonderingjoesmith wrote: |
| Aren't local agreements lower in character and alarming? I guess this is what the forum's about, isn't it? |
once more......in english, please. |
Here below (once more) in ENGRISH
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{several quotes that don't appear in this thread, and don't seem to apply to the situation}
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IN ENGRISH, the points are that winding people up on forums does not serve the majority but a few, that forums are resourceful and that there are some who actually look for a friendly place. Discouraging people from coming forward with what they have to say limits plenty.
It really seems there's a hell lot more that makes some old-timers "nervous", not only "these mysterious clauses" suggested. The OP has come up with a fair inquiry and indicated justly what is concerning. A one-year contract isn't an acceptable or unacceptable piece of meat but legal agreement which ought to be professional. |
thanks for that explanation, but i still have no idear what "Aren't local agreements lower in character and alarming?" means. |
Choudoufu, As far as I know this website doesn't discriminate. Non-native English speakers are also welcome  |
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wonderingjoesmith
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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No idear how your students feel, but I am sorry to have it written in such a poor Engrish. I guess the other poster has expressed better
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| the ice is broken, and the job is on the table if I want it. The problem is that the ice has not melted. The contract tries to regulate personal activities and even speech more than most contracts I have seen. It is not that I am interested in smuggling or lobbying, but the whole feel of it is degrading and creepy. |
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wonderingjoesmith
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
Choudoufu, As far as I know this website doesn't discriminate. Non-native English speakers are also welcome |
This is exactly the tendency of topics that make some old-timers nevrous. |
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Ariadne
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Igor? Is that you?
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Igor? Is that you? |
hee hee hee!
Warm regards,
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Javelin of Radiance
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Ariadne wrote: |
| Igor? Is that you? |
hee hee hee!
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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wonderingjoesmith
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| fat_chris wrote: |
| Ariadne wrote: |
| Igor? Is that you? |
hee hee hee!
Warm regards,
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Three stooges
I've taken a really good look on the site in case. The quote above is actually 50% correct. The fact is that the three stooges from the other site trash mostly private centers, not universities that they praise a lot (probably due to sponsorship). So much for the "zero credibility" 
Warm regards,
Joe, Mel, Igor or whomever you want me to be  |
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| wonderingjoesmith wrote: |
| Javelin of Radiance wrote: |
| fat_chris wrote: |
| Ariadne wrote: |
| Igor? Is that you? |
hee hee hee!
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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Three stooges |
Nope.
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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