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Errol
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 Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 8:44 am Post subject: Donghua University |
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Further to my earlier post -
The "Supplementary Agreement" was provided in both an English version and a Chinese version. |
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Errol
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject: Donghua University |
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 I have already "woken up" Rickster! This morning I have accepted a job teaching at another public university in Shanghai for the next academic year! I figured that a place that was not willing to provide essential requested information promptly was not worth taking a chance on. |
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MarcusK
Joined: 19 Apr 2004
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Location: Kadik�y, Istanbul, Turkey
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Rickster, can you elaborate on your comments?
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The reality is: Dong hua doesn't give a "crap" about their foreign teachers.
They have their gov't mandate ($). And they have a constant stream of Western teachers kowtowing to them and giving them EVERY doubt in the book.
It's the same thing, over and over and over. Wake up. |
Do you have first-hand knowledge about the practices at Donghua, or are you making comments about Chinese universities in general? I'm not challenging you on your comments, just looking for more information.
In my case, as opposed to some of the other posters in this thread, I have received responses from Donghua within a day or two. Perhaps I was just fortunate in my timing?
I certainly won't sign any contract before I receive satisfactory answers to my questions. I guess I'm just trying to be optimistic (or perhaps I'm naive) that the contract will include answers to many of the questions that I haven't yet asked.
And if anyone has any suggestions of other universities to look into in Shanghai (or Beijing) please let me know! I'm hoping to find a job that requires only 12-16 teaching hours per week even if that means the pay will be a bit lower. |
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NateM
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| I guess I'm used to having someone come right out and say "We'd like to offer you a position." Apparently it was implied by their response with the details about salary and benefits. *shrug* |
That kinda reminds me of my first job substitute teaching. I had applied to be a sub at a school, and was worried for quite some time that I'd somehow managed not to get accepted. All of a sudden one night I got a call to come in. I asked "shouldn't I have had an interview or something"?
I got a "you're hired" letter in the mail about 3 days after that. |
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MarcusK
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Rickster said:
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If you want a good experience go to some far away city where you will still be 'fresh.' Do you think WhitJohn could get away with what he's doing in Beijing or Shanghai?? No way.
But he's far away where he still gets the benefit of the doubt. |
So you're suggesting that if I want to engage in behavior that might be considered questionable I should stay away from the bigger cities where they are wise to that sort of behavior? You're suggesting that I should go out into the country so I can "get away" with things?? 
Your message couldn't possibly have meant that, I hope. Perhaps you meant that I can set a precedent by behaving in a professional manner out in some distant city.
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| Donghua sucks. You are treated like manure there. Why? They always see a contstant stream of wide-eyed and kowtowing Westerners come and go. |
You still haven't given any details to justify your claims. I welcome input from you or anyone else about Donghua, but why are you wasting the electrons to bad-mouth a university that so far you haven't demonstrated any knowledge of whatsoever? |
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Yu
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
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Well, I have not heard anything from Donghua recently. I received an e-mail from them asking if I was still interested and to let them know as quickly as possible. I told them I was also trying to get a job at Jiaotong, and that I was keeping them in mind as an alternative.
I never heard anything back from them. Perhaps I was too honest. |
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MarcusK
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| You have absolutely NO understanding of how things work in China. |
That's why I'm asking questions here!
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| If you want a good university experience you should go to the outer cities where Western teachers aren't a dime a dozen. With the zillions of foreign teachers in Shanghai why do you think some of these schools keep recruiting?? |
Rickster, this is the first comment from you where you state a reason for your opinion.
Thank you for pointing out that this school may be having problems recruiting locally. Do you see the difference between this sort of comment and "Donghua sucks. You are treated like manure there."?
So if my goal is to live and work in Shanghai (or even Beijing) then I must try a different approach in finding a job. I'm not really interested in a job in the outer cities. Besides, I don't really see how getting a job in the outer cities now would help me get a job in Shanghai later, since I'd run into the same problems applying remotely. Based on your comments, it sounds like my only option is to take a trip to Shanghai and try to find something in person. |
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