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Conduct Unbecoming a Teacher
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Belmont



Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: conduct Reply with quote

Your comments are "spot on" as the Brits say. You are the voice of reason concerning this topic.
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guest of Japan



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belmont, if I'm correct and you compliment is directed at me, thank you.

If I'm incorrect, please disregard this post. Smile
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Sara Avalon



Joined: 25 Feb 2004
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Location: On the Prowl

PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is honor even among thieves. Why should the teaching profession be any different? You have a job to do and there are inherent codes you recognize or abide with or chaos would be normal. You would NEVER approve of a teacher having sexual relations with a teenager still in high school and underage, why should this change and be discriminatory? You're still a teacher with a responsibility. Business and pleasure don't mix.

You go to work to put your skills to the test and contribute to a community. There are ethics, politics, and codes both written and unwritten. If you're not there to do work or have motives led by grotesque sexual ideas of conquest.. you really need to take a look at and evaluate your inner being.
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leeroy



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Posts: 777
Location: London UK

PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Goodness Gracious Sarah Avalon

Seriously...

Get your head out of your arse for one f*cking minute

Quote:
There are ethics, politics, and codes both written and unwritten. If you're not there to do work or have motives led by grotesque sexual ideas of conquest.. you really need to take a look at and evaluate your inner being.


Honestly

(adverbs fail me)
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
Posts: 13859
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 9:18 pm    Post subject: I'm disappointed Reply with quote

Dear leeroy,
I'd say adverbs weren't the only thing that failed you on that last post of yours. I really can't see why Sara Avalon's message would rate such a
crass and vulgar reply. If you disagree with what she wrote, why not compose a well thought out rebuttal?
What you DID post was, in addition to the adjectives (which didn't fail me) mentioned above, totally useless.
Regards,
John
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Aramas



Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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Location: Slightly left of Centre

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's a 'buttal' anyway? Does one first have to butt something before rebutting it? Or is a 'rebuttal' just posterial cosmetic surgery?

I suspect that what Leeroy was trying to say is that Sara's quasi-regal posturing flabbered his gast.
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Bindair Dundat



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Posts: 1123

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Ms. Avalon,

Sara Avalon wrote:
You would NEVER approve of a teacher having sexual relations with a teenager still in high school and underage, why should this change and be discriminatory?


The question of having sex with a minor is not under discussion in this thread. Not so far, anyway. If that's what you want to talk about, you may, but please do not conflate the isues.

Sex with minors and sex with adults are two entirely different animals, at least in my perception.

Sara Avalon wrote:
You're still a teacher with a responsibility. Business and pleasure don't mix.


You may remain on the level of platitudes if you wish, but you are not really contributing anything insightful when you do.

Sara Avalon wrote:
You go to work to put your skills to the test and contribute to a community. There are ethics, politics, and codes both written and unwritten.


The unwritten ones have little force and remain unwritten precisely because they do not represent a consensus.

Sara Avalon wrote:
If you're not there to do work or have motives led by grotesque sexual ideas of conquest.. you really need to take a look at and evaluate your inner being.


I would contend that the state of one's inner being is one's own business.

I could be wrong. Smile

BD
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Bindair Dundat



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mr. O'Japan,

guest of Japan wrote:
I would think that posting pictures of your exploits on the net and crudely commenting on their assets with the intention of drawing viewers would be considered to be deviant sexual practice.


You haven't been around the web much, have you? Wink

Deviance is a question of community standards.
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guest of Japan



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deviance is a variation from social mores, norms and/or morals.

The man at the root of all of this may very well be normal within his own circle of friends, and tame compared to others, but when placed into broader society he is deviant in his practices.
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Aramas



Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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Location: Slightly left of Centre

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the deviants that shun the consumerist hamster-wheel for a life of relative poverty in the developing world? Now that's really weird.
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zorro



Joined: 05 Jan 2004
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Location: in anticipation of euro2004

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe he's not a deviant but a pioneer.
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Sara Avalon



Joined: 25 Feb 2004
Posts: 254
Location: On the Prowl

PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. And here I hadn't even bothered to read any post save for Capergirl's original one and responded with frankness and honesty. Maybe I should have skimmed the pages of BS to double check how overheated this conversation was when I put my pot of popcorn on the stove. I have a kernel in my eye. Wink

But this just proves the original post, doesn't it? Honestly.. who in their professional minds would ever be so childish? Certainly the unqualified of course. Hardly the ones we should turn to for answers about correct social behavior (or moral for that matter).

But I shall bow out now before someone decides to cook bullets.
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Aramas



Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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Location: Slightly left of Centre

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sara - that was a rather wordy attempt at saying "Off with their heads!" in an imperious tone. I liked the way that you worked in the 'unqualified'. Everyone I know with a degree is certainly professional and mature Shocked
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stillnosheep



Joined: 01 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can you say that Aramas. I mean, I have a degree.There again, you don't know me ...
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2004 2:48 am    Post subject: The third degree Reply with quote

Dear Aramas,


Quote:
Everyone I know with a degree is certainly professional and mature


I agree - to a degree. But, since I have two degrees, that makes me twice as professional and mature, right?

Regards,
John
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