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[Shan-Shan]

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[u24tc]

The place I am working now... I am the only Foreign Expert. When the other teachers who see me - who don't know that I am the foreign teacher - and eventually find out, they are surprised '...but you look so Chinese'

I guess people in China expect ALL foreign teachers to be foreign in looks too!

[SnoopBot]

I just received some emails yesterday about the latest situation in the saturated market of Beijing. Teachers are now being selected because of their "foreignness�."

Therefore, those that are having difficulty finding jobs in Beijing, try dyeing your hair Beach-Blonde and Photoshop your required picture with bright blue eyes.

Type of degree or TESOL certificate is not important.

[englishgibson]

yeah...i've been worried..i've got that kinda middle eastern look and some've suggested i might be linked to bin's organization..wouldn't be difficult to hide in this lovely country, would it?

peace to all chemployers' recruiting techniques
and
cheers and beers to the blond hair, blue eyes mixed with great teaching in classrooms

[u24tc]

You're best bet in applying for an english job in China is when you apply, make clear that - if you are asian ..ish - you tell them straight away and see what they say.

e.g. I would like to apply... however... I am asian looking.. because my parents are from 'x' country but I born in 'x' place - is that a problem?

Though it probably will be but they will never tell you.

[englishgibson]

if you born in X place it little problem but if you speeek the language and make it clear you good at what you do it maybe no problem

tell'em who you are and stay in touch with us, if you can

peace to ya
and
cheers and beers to all of us

[william wallace]

China is So-phis-ti-cate-d now. "White face" do a demo, illustrating OUR (the Chinese) interpretation of how Westerners perform

Procedure:

1. paint face appropriate colour (don't miss the corners!)
2. Get on your(ni) sturdiest knee
3. Extend arms ,as if embracing the class or DOS(NOT strangling)
4.Introduce yourself (I'm____ with 7 Ph.Ds in____)
5. Cut off intro with(singing with a whining wallowing lament) :

Mammy,
Mammy,
The sun shines east, the sun shines west,
I know where the sun shines best--
Mammy,
My little mammy,
My heartstrings are tangled around Alabammy. (you input the proper Chinese city)
I'm comin',
Sorry that I made you wait.
I'm cu.min',

[SnoopBot]

This is interesting the Chinese want to be taught English by Indians now??

China keen to learn English from India
4 Sep 2007, 0001 hrs IST,Saibal Dasgupta,TNN

BEIJING: The Chinese have for long marvelled at the Indian ability with English. Now, a large number of them are taking concrete measures to pick up tips on learning English from India. This is best demonstrated by the success of Orient Longman in selling book titles on learning English to Chinese publishers in the past few days.

"Almost all the titles we sold are about learning English. The Chinese respect Indians for their ability with English and information technology," Raj Mani, senior vice president with Orient Longman Private Ltd., said at the book fair after selling publication rights to 44 book titles to Chinese publishers. The local publishers will now come out with local editions of books on learning English for use in schools across the country.

Scattered across the scores of stalls at the book fair were a large number of books in Chinese language on various aspect of Indian life like religion, culture, business and economy. This is a strong sign of a growing demand for purchase of Indian books by ordinary people in China. So far, books on India in Chinese translation have been bought only by libraries and rarely seen in retail book stores.

UBS Publishers' Distributors, which is possibly the biggest seller of Indian books to China, sold $200,000 worth of books on India to Chinese distributors in 2006. "The budgets of public libraries for buying Indian books has been growing year on year. There is also a lot of emerging demand among ordinary people who want to buy books on India," Amrit Sharma, UBSPD general manager, said.

About 95 per cent of the books UBSPD sells in China are written in English. Chinese libraries usually seek Indian books on social sciences and science and technology. There is a rising demand among individuals for self-improvement books from India, Sharma said.

This is his third time Mani of Orient Longman is visiting the annual Beijing fair. Orient Longman sold one book title in 2005 and none in 2006. This is why its success in this year's book fair is an indication of the growing eagerness among the Chinese to learn from a veriety of things from India including the art of studying English.

"Our books on learning English are as good as any in the western world. And, of course, our costs are also lower," Mani said.

Other Indian publishers managed to evoke interest among their Chinese counterparts to book titles on a variety of other issues raging from chemicals, IT, defence and cultural issues. Indian book titles other than those dealing with English learning will be translated in Chinese.

Nuzhat Hassan, director of the National Book Trust, said her organisation is actively negotiating with Chinese publishers for selling title rights of eight books including two books on Buddism, two on Yoga, one on ancient Hindus, one on Sri Aurobindo and one on puzzles. Chinese publishers have also shown interest in Indian books on subjects like jewellery and architecture, she said.

Lawman (India) Pvt. Ltd. found Chinese publishers interested in a nine-volume set on integrated pest management. It had earlier sold rights to 27 books on defence to a Shanghai based publisher, which published them in both print and e-book formats, Chander Dutt Tewari, the company's manager (export), said.

"I think China is a good market. It is all a question of perseverance. We expect some demand for book titles on subjects like maths and sciences for children as well," Mani said.


I see outsourcing coming maybe 2000 RMB a month isn't the low point now.


JEEEEEESH!

[eslstudies]

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[Katja84]

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[eslstudies]

Katja and Snoopbot, I can understand both of your points.
The young woman I refered to was in fact a native English speaker from a wealthy Mumbai family. In my Australian school at present I have 3 Indian colleagues. One speaks with an educated Australian [how HFG would leap in gleefully here!] accent whilst the other two are more recent arrivals, but perfectly clear in their pronunciation.
On the other hand, despite my travels [including India] and a long time now in ESL, the support people from my internet company, who work from India, take quite a lot of effort to understand. I can tell they share my frustration, as their perfect Indian English does not work well for either of us!

[johnchina]

There is such a big demand for English teachers in China that none of us should be surprised that China is looking to countries outside of the usual "(predominantly) white, native speaker ones" (US, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, Ireland).

I mean, don't all countries do this? The UK had a shortage of doctors and nurses and imported a load from other countries. Part of the shortage was caused by UK medical staff going to other countries (in the Middle East, the US) in search of better pay and conditions.

I'm thinking more about the race issue, but I guess that's something the Indian teachers will discover when they arrive.

I also wonder how many of these Indians will be former call centre staff who are now losing their jobs as UK firms move call centres back to the UK because of complaints about the poor level of English?

[william wallace]

During a training session(IELTS) a few years back, we were given video interviews of various foreign speakers of English.Of all the video interviews only one was a problem for me-An Indian. I gave the Indian a Band 5-6,my group of five Band 6-7,but Cambridge gave the person a Band 9.(and ONLY Cambridge counts). Maybe I was a bit harsh in marking, but the Indian had areas of speech that were not discernible; that alone,had me scratching my head as to why Cambridge gave a Band 9...1763-1948 British India ??