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Pitarou
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| marley'sghost wrote: |
| I'm no academic, so I had to google it. No worries. Pair-work, info-gaps, interviews, role-play, games, my middle name is "Communicative Approach". ... For all their flaws, the stuff I see happening in the E.S and the JHS is much more communicative. ... But, as the end goal of Japanese English education is to produce test scores, not language competency. I'm not sure that in pure mathmatical terms .............amount of materialXnumber of students/class time=multiple choice test scores, what I do is as efficient in producing those test scores as the lecture/drill/cram/rinse/repeat method. LDCRR? Is that in the JALT journals? |
Your "LDCRR" is usually known as the Grammar Translation Method.
I agree that the practice activities are becoming more communicative, but there's more to the Communicative Approach than that. The style of presentation is also important and, in my experience, JTEs still present new material in Grammar Translation style. This is a shame because, because Grammar Translation style presentations are not a good preparation for communicative practice, and the whole process can become an ordeal for the students.
Still, I believe that:
1. The human brain has a powerful language acquisition system built in.
2. The better a language teaching method targets that system, the more the student will learn.
3. The Communicative Approach, while far from being the last word in language teaching, targets that system far better than Grammar Translation.
4. Explicit grammar explanations are effective only insofar as they give the students another way to check his answers (Krashen's Monitor Hypothesis).
For this reason, I believe that the Communicative Approach, supplemented with a little exam training and grammar explanation at carefully chosen moments, is likely to deliver better results. However, I don't have any empirical evidence I can cite to support my claims. |
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sicklyman
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| Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| However, I don't have any empirical evidence I can cite to support my claims. |
heh heh... and therein lies the rub. Hope that shot in the foot heals quickly. |
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jmatt
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[/quote]Your "LDCRR" is usually known as the Grammar Translation Method.
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You sure that's not the Audiolingual method? Grammar Translation a bit different. |
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marley'sghost
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Your "LDCRR" is usually known as the Grammar Translation Method.
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You sure that's not the Audiolingual method? Grammar Translation a bit different.[/quote]
@pitarou I suspected that was the one. I think my name is better though.
@jmatt So Audiolingual would be Grammar Translation + a CD player?
Apologies to all. I do take my job seriously. I like it and I even like the kids, even though they are junior high schoolers. I just don't think about it much. Like riding a bike. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| sicklyman wrote: |
| Pitarou wrote: |
| However, I don't have any empirical evidence I can cite to support my claims. |
heh heh... and therein lies the rub. Hope that shot in the foot heals quickly. |
What is true is already so.
Owning up to it doesn't make it worse.
Not being open about it doesn't make it go away.
— Part of the Litany of Gendlin
If The Communicative Approach yields better results than The Grammar Translation Method, I desire to believe that The Communicative Approach yields better results than the Grammar Translation Method.
If The Communicative Approach does not yield better results than the Grammar Translation Method, I desire not to believe that The Communicative Approach yields better results than The Grammar Translation Method.
Let me not become attached to beliefs I do not want.
— Litany of Tarski |
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jmatt
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| marley'sghost wrote: |
Your "LDCRR" is usually known as the Grammar Translation Method.
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You sure that's not the Audiolingual method? Grammar Translation a bit different.[/quote]
@pitarou I suspected that was the one. I think my name is better though.
@jmatt So Audiolingual would be Grammar Translation + a CD player?
Apologies to all. I do take my job seriously. I like it and I even like the kids, even though they are junior high schoolers. I just don't think about it much. Like riding a bike.[/quote]
Funny. Yeah, what you're describing is the Audiolingual Method. Lots of drills and L&R. Grammar Translation is exactly that---and different from what you describe. |
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Pitarou
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| marley'sghost wrote: |
| jmatt wrote: |
Your "LDCRR" is usually known as the Grammar Translation Method.
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You sure that's not the Audiolingual method? Grammar Translation a bit different. |
@pitarou I suspected that was the one. I think my name is better though.
@jmatt So Audiolingual would be Grammar Translation + a CD player?
Apologies to all. I do take my job seriously. I like it and I even like the kids, even though they are junior high schoolers. I just don't think about it much. Like riding a bike. |
Funny. Yeah, what you're describing is the Audiolingual Method. Lots of drills and L&R. Grammar Translation is exactly that---and different from what you describe. |
If it starts with a grammar lecture, I wouldn't call it Audio-Lingual.
Every Situation Is Different, of course, so take this with a liberal pinch of salt, but in my experience a large part of classroom time is given over to translating the dialogue in the book into Japanese, word-by-word, phrase-by-phrase. And at least half of the exercises and drills have an element of translation because, y'know, it's just so much easier to write 猫 (cat) than to draw a picture of a cat (😸). It's not pure Grammar Translation, but Grammar Translation still seems to be at the core.
Audio-Lingual would be a huge step-up, in my opinion. |
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jmatt
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Pitarou wrote: |
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| marley'sghost wrote: |
| jmatt wrote: |
Your "LDCRR" is usually known as the Grammar Translation Method.
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You sure that's not the Audiolingual method? Grammar Translation a bit different. |
@pitarou I suspected that was the one. I think my name is better though.
@jmatt So Audiolingual would be Grammar Translation + a CD player?
Apologies to all. I do take my job seriously. I like it and I even like the kids, even though they are junior high schoolers. I just don't think about it much. Like riding a bike. |
Funny. Yeah, what you're describing is the Audiolingual Method. Lots of drills and L&R. Grammar Translation is exactly that---and different from what you describe. |
If it starts with a grammar lecture, I wouldn't call it Audio-Lingual.
Every Situation Is Different, of course, so take this with a liberal pinch of salt, but in my experience a large part of classroom time is given over to translating the dialogue in the book into Japanese, word-by-word, phrase-by-phrase. And at least half of the exercises and drills have an element of translation because, y'know, it's just so much easier to write 猫 (cat) than to draw a picture of a cat (😸). It's not pure Grammar Translation, but Grammar Translation still seems to be at the core.
Audio-Lingual would be a huge step-up, in my opinion. |
You're right---the standard class basically takes the L1 and diagrams the shit out of it and teaches that to conform to the tests...
But, what was originally talked about---the "LDCRR" is totally the Audiolingual Method. And, as you said, that would be a step up from many classes here. |
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