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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teacheratlarge wrote:


Japan

Healthy food
Great Medicare system
Fantastic public transport
Taxis that use the meter and are legal
High culture drama and traditional music
Historic buildings
Modern plumbing ( hmmm)
High wages w/o being a manager
.... Need I go on......


Historic buildings in Japan?

Where?
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PhoenixSpirit



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sour Grape wrote:
teacheratlarge wrote:


Japan

Healthy food
Great Medicare system
Fantastic public transport
Taxis that use the meter and are legal
High culture drama and traditional music
Historic buildings
Modern plumbing ( hmmm)
High wages w/o being a manager
.... Need I go on......


Historic buildings in Japan?

Where?


Kyoto for one.
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Solar Strength



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sour Grape wrote:
teacheratlarge wrote:


Japan

Healthy food
Great Medicare system
Fantastic public transport
Taxis that use the meter and are legal
High culture drama and traditional music
Historic buildings
Modern plumbing ( hmmm)
High wages w/o being a manager
.... Need I go on......


Historic buildings in Japan?

Where?


You're making a distinction between 2,500 temples and office buildings, right? Otherwise, I don't understand why you'r asking him "Where?"
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was making the point that absolutely nothing I've seen in Japan has given me the feeling that I was entering a historic building. The closest any place came to doing that was Himeji castle.

I do like temples and shrines - favourite place in Japan is probably Itsukushima shrine on Miyajima island. Second would be the walk from Kita Kamakura to Kamakura, which is dotted with temples.

But none of them compared at all to seeing, say, Agia Sophia, the Pyramids, St Petersburg, Rome or, well, plenty of other places. I'm not denying that some of the temples, especially in Kyoto, are extremely pleasing to the eye. However, I like originals, rather than replicas. Granted, nobody wanted the original golden temple to be burned down, and rebuilding it was better than doing nothing, but of all the things to recommend Japan for (and I love living here), I was surprised to see historical buildings on the list.
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if someone asks for advice on which country to go to for a good quality of life, it's against the rules to say Korea because Korea has a seperate board?

...strange rules on this forum.
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:24 am    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

A good job in Qatar or the UAE should tick all the boxes. However, the phrase 'good job' is key.

Forget Europe as it's only lovely if you aren't skint and most TEFLers there are.
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Solar Strength



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that's just it, isn't it? Europe is good if you don't mind being broke. Yet they still want teachers to be CELTA / DELTA or M.A. TESOL qualified.
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fladude



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Yes, nothing special in that list from GA at all, for many countries. However, there is a glaring ommission from the list. The conspicuous absence being of course high level learners who progress. One can reasonably expect beginners to progress to advanced levels where Spiral and I are based. While this is far from being uniquely Russian or Eastern European, it is highly prevalent. Much more so than other regions on the globe, where you can just expect a sea of blank uncomprehending faces staring back at you in your depressing classroom, regardless of the official student level.!


I found the kids that I taught in Central America to be at or above the level of most high school kids in the USA at their grade level. Most of them were basically fluent. Of course many spent their summers at the family condo in Miami. When it comes to Latin America, it really depends on what income level you are teaching and what their background is. If they come from a family with "old" money then their level of English is typically quite high as they have had Native English teachers since they were in Kindergarten (and so did their parents).

I love Latin America for the lifestyle. But the pay is poor and the safety level is very poor. If it bothers you living in a country where the police don't bother to investigate homicides, then Central America isn't for you... On the flip side, they don't seem to murder Gringos. They just rob you for your cell phone. Simple solution... buy a cheap one.
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Aigana



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:34 pm    Post subject: advice: where to go for best quality of life Reply with quote

Having just completed a job in Moscow, I would say that it is the one of the best places to be in as a young qualified teacher.
If you can get the right kind of clients, and there are plenty of those in Moscow, then you would not want to go back.... + Russians love Brits! This city is bubbling with excitement and life. I think its best suited to 25-35 age group because I can see how it can become unbearable after a while. Despite all it's downsides, its is great!
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jrwhisky



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
. Much more so than other regions on the globe, where you can just expect a sea of blank uncomprehending faces staring back at you in your depressing classroom, regardless of the official student level.

Perhaps it is strange to link learner quality to quality of life. It is just one factor of many, true. But for teachers, surely this should be a priority? If it is so for you, then come to Russia!


Good point, I'm doing japan right now and it sucks dealing with as sasha put it "sea of blank uncomprehending faces staring back at you". But how often is the weather nice over there? I like that I can go outside comfortably 11 months out of the year.
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Solar Strength



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: advice: where to go for best quality of life Reply with quote

Aigana wrote:
Having just completed a job in Moscow, I would say that it is the one of the best places to be in as a young qualified teacher.
If you can get the right kind of clients, and there are plenty of those in Moscow, then you would not want to go back.... + Russians love Brits! This city is bubbling with excitement and life. I think its best suited to 25-35 age group because I can see how it can become unbearable after a while. Despite all it's downsides, its is great!


Well, then I guess my question is for Aigana ands Sasha, what are the opportunities and salaries like for university level TEFL positions in Moscow? I see a lot of university teaching positions advertised for Korea, where I've often taught, China and the UAE on Dave's, but not much for Russia.

In Thailand, for example and where I've also spent time teaching, university teaching positions, especially national universities, pay much lower than those at language institutes. How do those jobs in Russia compare?

Yeah, good point about how engaged students are and linking that to one's quality of life. Japanese students are notoriously difficult to work with. I rank them as the worst students I've ever had to work with, and I've taught in several countries in Asia. I've known people to just leave Japan partly for this reason. The country just seems so resistant to learning English where in other counties students seem much more motivated and outgoing, which Japanese students generally are not.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget the vast majority of unis in Russia. Pay is peanuts. Usually only populated by hoary old locals waiting for their pensions to kick in.

There are some private institutes which pay a proper salary, but they are very thin on the ground. Private language centres and your own private students are better payers by far and away.

As for the weather in Russia, I love a good bracing winter. Minus 40 is just super. Sadly, Moscow rarely comes close to this. And besides, all buildings are sweltering 24 hours a day, so the streets are the only places where it isn't sub-tropical.

In fact the cold of winter isn't much of an issue all. The depressing greyness will affect you much more than the temperature ever would. So, anyone with SAD issues would be well-advised to re-think coming to a climate such as this.
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Solar Strength



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Forget the vast majority of unis in Russia. Pay is peanuts. Usually only populated by hoary old locals waiting for their pensions to kick in.

There are some private institutes which pay a proper salary, but they are very thin on the ground. Private language centres and your own private students are better payers by far and away.

As for the weather in Russia, I love a good bracing winter. Minus 40 is just super. Sadly, Moscow rarely comes close to this. And besides, all buildings are sweltering 24 hours a day, so the streets are the only places where it isn't sub-tropical.

In fact the cold of winter isn't much of an issue all. The depressing greyness will affect you much more than the temperature ever would. So, anyone with SAD issues would be well-advised to re-think coming to a climate such as this.


Thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sour Grape wrote:
I was making the point that absolutely nothing I've seen in Japan has given me the feeling that I was entering a historic building. The closest any place came to doing that was Himeji castle.

I do like temples and shrines - favourite place in Japan is probably Itsukushima shrine on Miyajima island. Second would be the walk from Kita Kamakura to Kamakura, which is dotted with temples.

But none of them compared at all to seeing, say, Agia Sophia, the Pyramids, St Petersburg, Rome or, well, plenty of other places. I'm not denying that some of the temples, especially in Kyoto, are extremely pleasing to the eye. However, I like originals, rather than replicas. Granted, nobody wanted the original golden temple to be burned down, and rebuilding it was better than doing nothing, but of all the things to recommend Japan for (and I love living here), I was surprised to see historical buildings on the list.


WHAT?? What of the most moving experiences of my life was visiting Hōryū-ji in Southwest Nara, I bought a poster of painting of Yumedomo, an octagonal building in the complex that was build in 739, I have that painting hanging on my wall here in Mexico and even though I've visiting tons of archaeological sites all over Latin America, I still marvel at having visited a WOODEN building built in the 8th century.

To answer the OP's question I've worked in Ecuador, Japan, and Mexico and had a good life in each one for very different reasons.
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jrwhisky



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about jobs in St. Petersburg. I've thought a lot about Russia. If there were open job postings there I would jump on that. Moscow seems to be the only place that is looking for teachers.
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