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jurassic1981
Joined: 11 Jan 2014 Posts: 2 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| The OP asks a simple question about EdEx and all people can say is that it is bad and getting worse. How? Why? What is happening that makes it so bad? We are on two pages and no one has answered these questions. Do they not pay teachers? Are they late in paying? Is the housing really bad? Do they beat you with a stick? I am curious as well. I lived in Korea for 8 years and dealt with a lot of BS with schools. Usually I just put up with it because I liked the teaching and the students were great. When contract renewal time came up I just moved on. The school itself wasn't bad and the coworkers I had were great. I would like to hear specifics about this company or at least somebody post a link to the other threads. |
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nomad soul

Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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The OP asks a simple question about EdEx and all people can say is that it is bad and getting worse. How? Why? What is happening that makes it so bad? We are on two pages and no one has answered these questions.
I would like to hear specifics about this company or at least somebody post a link to the other threads. |
No need to wait for someone to post links about EdEx; do a search on your own or just scroll through this forum for threads about the company. |
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CANDLES

Joined: 01 Nov 2011 Posts: 605 Location: Wandering aimlessly.....
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:47 am Post subject: |
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How is it easier for Muslims in KSA? Do they not have the same problems with administration, late salary issues, Iqama issues, etc, etc.... It's the 'magic kingdom' for tax free salary and savings and nothing else for all race, creed and religions.
EDX were rubbish before and probably still are. They have many projects in KSA, but no common sense on how to utilise the talents of the teachers. Like all the recruitment agencies of the world, they are out there to make quick money. EDX, ICEAT are interchangeable in their dealings and I personally cannot see the difference. |
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66be
Joined: 21 Aug 2011 Posts: 14 Location: Planet Earth
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: Ed-Ex |
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| Jurassic1981 is spot on- if anyone quoted specifics regarding Edex they would probably apply to many of the contractors operating in KSA. I have made comments on here before about the vague damning comments of Edex when all people are asking for is an idea of what to expect when they take up the contract - 'its really bad' doesn't really help. I know teachers who have worked and some who still work for Edex and who have worked for other contractors and most of them will tell you it is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other as far as conditions are concerned and most teachers have their own reasons for staying in KSA whether they enjoy the work/life experience or have a savings plan |
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CANDLES

Joined: 01 Nov 2011 Posts: 605 Location: Wandering aimlessly.....
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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EDEX: My personal experience in 2012
1) Recruited teachers on the promise of an Iqama and accommodation.
2) 3 months later still on a 3 months visa- no Iqama.
3) Excuses for processing Iqama & who was entitled- a) teachers who came before a certain date, b) teachers between the ages of 23-26 years.
4) Canadians who had to leave, - then the rest, if emergency. We waited for a whole year without seeing our families.
5) married women who had left their kids back home were not given Iqamas or were allowed to bring their families after the initial 3 months probation period was up.
6) accommodation - ended up in different apartment-hotels, some very good apartments, others diabolical with no facilities for cooking, only an area in-between the bedroom & the living room.
7) good apartments where Frawley & his ilk lived were great, but unavailable to most of the other teachers.
Salaries not paid on time/ sometimes discrepancies which was ALWAYS the fault of the teachers, never the accountants, who were rude and generally women haters.
Of course there will always be teachers who moan, and do something about it, but the rest of them will put up with it, because pay is good, tax free salary, no headaches about bills or transportation problems, but most importantly are in KSA because back home there aren't any jobs or very few jobs available so you do the best with what's given.
How specific do you have to be about some of these agencies without blowing your brains out? |
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fledex
Joined: 05 Jun 2011 Posts: 342
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| jurassic1981 wrote: |
| The OP asks a simple question about EdEx and all people can say is that it is bad and getting worse. How? Why? What is happening that makes it so bad? We are on two pages and no one has answered these questions. Do they not pay teachers? Are they late in paying? Is the housing really bad? Do they beat you with a stick? I am curious as well. I lived in Korea for 8 years and dealt with a lot of BS with schools. Usually I just put up with it because I liked the teaching and the students were great. When contract renewal time came up I just moved on. The school itself wasn't bad and the coworkers I had were great. I would like to hear specifics about this company or at least somebody post a link to the other threads. |
Your questions have been answered in other places, but here are the answers to your questions again:
How is it getting worse? People who have been with them a long time tell me the quality of their coworkers has gone down. Why? Edex has a lousy reputation and you have to be pretty desperate or unqualified to work for them, or just never tried anything else in KSA.
What is happening that makes it so bad? Answering the other questions below will address this.
Do they not pay teachers? They do not pay teachers everything owed. Try to get your full vacation or bonus pay or travel expenses. It is difficult to get these things. I'm still owed about $4,000.
Are they late in paying? When I was with them, paydays were never certain, and were made in cash in smoke filled rooms. Often they were late. Certainly they are late with paying expenses owed.
Is the housing really bad? Yes it is. You will be moved around a lot as well, without much notice.
Do they beat you with a stick? They didn't do this to me literally, but in a metaphorical sense, certainly they do constantly. They have mean managers. Most of my coworkers with them talked glowingly about days in Korean schools, compared to days with Edex.
I've worked with 3 different companies and schools in KSA. Edex is the only one with these problems. Others may have had other problems, but nothing as bad as irregular pay, no pay, or moving around. |
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scot47

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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| A wise slave chooses a better master than Edex ! |
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Muhammed Abbas Khan
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="CANDLES"]EDEX: My personal experience in 2012
"1) Recruited teachers on the promise of an Iqama and accommodation.
2) 3 months later still on a 3 months visa- no Iqama.
3) Excuses for processing Iqama & who was entitled- a) teachers who came before a certain date, b) teachers between the ages of 23-26 years.
4) Canadians who had to leave, - then the rest, if emergency. We waited for a whole year without seeing our families.
5) married women who had left their kids back home were not given Iqamas or were allowed to bring their families after the initial 3 months probation period was up."
Dear Candles,
Prior to taking up employment with Edex were you required to complete a set of medical tests as part of the visa application?
In the event that you were required to do so then it is a sad indictment of Edex's incompetence.
Point number 5 is unclear. I take it you mean that even female emloyees who managed to obtain iqamas were not allowed to bring their families. However, once an employee has an iqama they can then sponsor dependants, otherwise known as istiqdam. Of course you would need to obtain a letter from your employer who were perhaps in the case of Edex unwilling to oblige. |
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CANDLES

Joined: 01 Nov 2011 Posts: 605 Location: Wandering aimlessly.....
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't need to do a medical because at the last minute we were told it was going to be done after 3 months.
As for the married teachers - EDEX rescinded on their promise, so some of them left, especially the ones who had come by themselves |
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SENTINEL33
Joined: 19 Jan 2014 Posts: 112 Location: Bahrain
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The OP asks a simple question about EdEx and all people can say is that it is bad and getting worse. How? Why? What is happening that makes it so bad? We are on two pages and no one has answered these questions. Do they not pay teachers? Are they late in paying? Is the housing really bad? Do they beat you with a stick? |
1. The facts are these: it doesn't matter what anybody says.......if you're a "newbie" to the Middle East and you've been contacted by an "employer" (whether direct or contractor), you're going to bite the hook. You're going to be hoodwinked into thinking that you're "important" and that someone has finally recognized your sterling qualities........the same qualities your mother has been harping and gushing upon you since your birth.
Most newbies will say something like: "It can't be as bad as all that......It'll be different for me because I......." and so on.
2. Most newbies fantasize about what their new job in "Arabia" is going to be like. They have an image taken from the pages of the "Arabian Nights", that what they'll REALLY be doing is having a private office in the 100th floor in a building similar to the Burj Khalifa with a panoramic view of the "desert" from where they'll "accept" phone
calls from "Princes" whenever these Royals have a question about grammar or spelling. That's what they honestly believe is going to be their lot in Araby.
They believe that "teaching cadets" at TINS is like teaching cadets at West Point or the Air Force Academy (heh heh).
It is imipossible to change someone's mind given the above mindset. That's why there are so many "questions" about EdEx: what they hear and read about this company on this Forum "just can't be true".
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CANDLES

Joined: 01 Nov 2011 Posts: 605 Location: Wandering aimlessly.....
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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It's just not EDEX only, there's ICEAT.AETG, SBC, etc, etc.....
part of the same clan!  |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Didn't need to do a medical because at the last minute we were told it was going to be done after 3 months. |
More likely they told you at the last minute not to do the physical because they had no intention of ever giving you an Iqama. You have to do the physical outside of Saudi... normally in your home country.
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mashkif
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| [...]They believe that "teaching cadets" at TINS is like teaching cadets at West Point or the Air Force Academy (heh heh).[...] |
*snicker*
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rollingk
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:02 am Post subject: |
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1. The facts are these: it doesn't matter what anybody says.......if you're a "newbie" to the Middle East and you've been contacted by an "employer" (whether direct or contractor), you're going to bite the hook. You're going to be hoodwinked into thinking that you're "important" and that someone has finally recognized your sterling qualities........the same qualities your mother has been harping and gushing upon you since your birth.
Most newbies will say something like: "It can't be as bad as all that......It'll be different for me because I......." and so on.
2. Most newbies fantasize about what their new job in "Arabia" is going to be like. They have an image taken from the pages of the "Arabian Nights", that what they'll REALLY be doing is having a private office in the 100th floor in a building similar to the Burj Khalifa with a panoramic view of the "desert" from where they'll "accept" phone
calls from "Princes" whenever these Royals have a question about grammar or spelling. That's what they honestly believe is going to be their lot in Araby.
They believe that "teaching cadets" at TINS is like teaching cadets at West Point or the Air Force Academy (heh heh).
It is imipossible to change someone's mind given the above mindset. That's why there are so many "questions" about EdEx: what they hear and read about this company on this Forum "just can't be true".
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I can't stop laughing. This is not only true, but after many arrive here, they adamantly refuse to see that they've been handed a tray with, instead of tea, verbs, nouns and adjectives to serve up on command. |
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CANDLES

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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I know VS ... right at the last minute it was on a 3 months basis and then Bahrain got dragged into the conversation.
The promise was come over on the 3 months Business visa, then they would send us back to get the medical done??????? I was supposed to go back in the January break, but it all fizzled out.
I've done medical at home for the Iqama couple of times, before and after this fiasco, so I knew what was going on. |
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