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JimRoss
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I mentioned something I heard. I was asking for verification. As far as I am concerned, the statement is an allegation made by someone else. I have no idea whether it is or is not true.
I also found some web sites that will sell fake certificates for anything including degrees from top-flight universities like Cambridge and Harvard.
It appears that fake certificates are global. |
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Buckeye Bob
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| JimRoss wrote: |
I mentioned something I heard. I was asking for verification. As far as I am concerned, the statement is an allegation made by someone else. I have no idea whether it is or is not true.
I also found some web sites that will sell fake certificates for anything including degrees from top-flight universities like Cambridge and Harvard.
It appears that fake certificates are global. |
In China you can buy a diploma from anywhere or a certificate for anything. I once interviewed a Chinese teacher who showed me a certificate that says he was no longer a criminal or alcoholic. Girls seeking marriage in China have certificates that "verify and confirm" their virginity. But the best one I saw was a certificate that confirmed a recent graduate was a member in "good standing of the Communist party and should therefore be granted preferential treatment"
For $50 you can get anything printed with all the officials stamps and seals. One student in my class showed me a diploma of her mother who allegedly graduated from Oxford, yet two months later at a school event the mother was asking me how to help her get an invitation letter because she was dying to visit the UK. The going rate for a fake TEFL Certificate is probably less than $50 unless you want one without spelling errors! Only in China. |
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The_Kong
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| Buckeye Bob wrote: |
Girls seeking marriage in China have certificates that "verify and confirm" their virginity. |
What are you talking about???
I think someone just feeds you stupid things because they are trying to see what they can get you to believe. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Bucko,
Talking about fake credentials is frowned upon in this forum. |
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Buckeye Bob
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
For the fellow who said "Many schools require a TEFL certificate", I would ask him to link a source as I did a google search just now with the search words of "China teaching job TEFL certificate required".
Apply for several jobs in China. Indicate no education beyond secondary school, no TEFL certificate, and zero experience teaching. See how many offers you get.
Whether the law requires formal education in the form of a degree or a TEFL certificate is irrelevant. Employers want educated teachers, not numpties who have been flipping burgers for two or three years and driving trucks.
Nobody is accorded a right to teach in China. Those who teach in China do so because they have been invited. Invitations are extended to those who can demonstrate that they have something worth paying for.
Again, China is not the Land of Milk and Honey. It's not a free ride. If you've always dreamed of living abroad and teaching English in China, but you find that you cannot, it's because you've just been dreaming. Education is not the profession for instant teachers.
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Your statement is omitting the most important word Bud: BACHELORS DEGREE! This is a MANDATORY REQUIREMENT and no TEFL certificate can be substituted for the degree and schools trash your resume if you do not have the bachelors degree.
You also said "Whether the law requires formal education in the form of a degree or a TEFL certificate is irrelevant." This is a false and misleading statement since you are not going to get a z visa nor teach at a legitimate school in China WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE LAW and China Law DOES NOT REQUIRE A TEFL CERTIFICATE FOR ANY REASON, but the China Law DOES REQUIRE THE BACHELOR DEGREE TO TEACH.
Were you ever a recruiter Bud? The way you play with words is exactly the way agents do. Your last post wrongly suggests people will get a teaching position in China with a TEFL certificate even if they have no bachelors degree. That is not possible with a real licensed school in China. |
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The_Kong
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Were you ever a recruiter Bud? The way you play with words is exactly the way agents do. Your last post wrongly suggests people will get a teaching position in China with a TEFL certificate even if they have no bachelors degree. That is not possible with a real licensed school in China. |
You know in the other thread when I questioned your ability to read? I was half joking.
I am however not joking at all about your reading comprehension ability being very poor. |
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Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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*YAWN*
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likwid_777
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Yup. Hehe. Even the Chinese authorities give far less of a toss about this topic.
As long as you have a Z visa, as if they're going to raid you for an ESL certificate.
-Someone who has been booted out |
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LongShiKong
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So, the moral of the story is do your homework before accepting an offer:
Any recruiter lie or scam is...
THE BIGGEST LIE
..for anyone who fails to do so and gets burned in the process. |
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likwid_777
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Yeah, if you mess up and get done, you get done. If you can manage to secure a Z visa without the "proper" bits and pieces, I highly doubt the authorities would try to see said documents afterwards. They'd only want to see that Z visa. But yes, good luck getting the holy Z visa without proper bit and/or pieces these days (by the sound of things).
If you can get the Z visa with nothing but one year experience delivering pizzas, it means the owner of your school has gangster/God like guanxi. As a result, the esteemed establishment which you work in will probably not be shaken down. And when it is, ta-da, you have your Z visa.
Nothing to see here |
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Buckeye Bob
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:41 pm Post subject: ) |
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| likwid_777 wrote: |
Yeah, if you mess up and get done, you get done. If you can manage to secure a Z visa without the "proper" bits and pieces, I highly doubt the authorities would try to see said documents afterwards. They'd only want to see that Z visa. But yes, good luck getting the holy Z visa without proper bit and/or pieces these days (by the sound of things).
If you can get the Z visa with nothing but one year experience delivering pizzas, it means the owner of your school has gangster/God like guanxi. As a result, the esteemed establishment which you work in will probably not be shaken down. And when it is, ta-da, you have your Z visa.
Nothing to see here |
After the new China Visa Laws came out in July of 2013, it is a whole new ball game in China. Before then any pretty white foreign face was a teacher regardless of the requirements because enforcement was almost zero, and if a problem did arise it could be solved with a 5,000 yuan bribe.
But today under the new "anti-corruption" regime they have gotten real serious about enforcement as you can see here:
http://www.bjstuff.com/profiles/blogs/china-foreign-teachers-other-expats-being-deported-in-record?xg_source=activity
IN CHINA TODAY YOU WILL NOT GET A Z VISA NOR A TEACHING JOB WITHOUT A BACHELORS DEGREE - NO EXCEPTIONS - NO MATTER HOW MANY TEFL CERTIFICATES YOU HAVE (Real or Fake!) |
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likwid_777
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| It's not absolutely absolute. Difficult, and stupid perhaps, but it's not impossible. |
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LongShiKong
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:45 am Post subject: Re: ) |
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| NO EXCEPTIONS |
You're obviously new to China. Ever hear the term guanxi? If not, you will. |
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Buckeye Bob
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Capt Lugwash
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I would love to see a link which proves this statement to be correct:
"You also said "Whether the law requires formal education in the form of a degree or a TEFL certificate is irrelevant." This is a false and misleading statement since you are not going to get a z visa nor teach at a legitimate school in China WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE LAW and China Law DOES NOT REQUIRE A TEFL CERTIFICATE FOR ANY REASON, but the China Law DOES REQUIRE THE BACHELOR DEGREE TO TEACH."
I have recently received my fifth annual RP and the first university I ever set foot in is the one at which I have taught for the past four years. And no, I didn't do an online degree nor did I "buy" one. I have been truthful in all my dealings. I have no degree. |
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