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Is China still full of ESL opportunity?
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doogsville



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PittsburghSound wrote:
My fault. I thought this semester already started. I'm talking about coming to China in February or so. I see that the next Chinese New Year is Thursday, February 19th. I assume classes would begin again a few weeks after that? That's when I would be interested in beginning a teaching position at a university. I should have clarified that.


The only university vacancies you'll see in February are likely to be because teachers either died or did a runner. If it's the latter the school won't even know they have a vacancy until about the second week of the semester.

If I were you I would compile a list of as many universities as I could find that I would be willing to work for, and send them my CV etc at about the end of November. Send a covering letter saying you appreciate they may not have immediate vacancies, but you are available in March should anything turn up. Then mail them all again about half way through February, so your name is in their inbox when they get back from holiday and find that one of their teachers isn't coming back.

The other alternative is to take a language mill job in February/March, which is the beginning of the year for a lot of them. Only take a six month contract, which will leave you free to make the jump to a uni job starting in September. Six months is not a long time to work for a private school unless it's the worst school ever. It also gives you the advantage of being in country, which really can help when it comes to getting a uni job.
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PittsburghSound



Joined: 27 Aug 2014
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. I was told to not even consider private schools. Apparently, a lot of them are scams.

I may have to reconsider.
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Capt Lugwash



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doog did omit the "no shows". They may provide an opening for you but I would think a reputable agency would be your best bet for that. Yes they get bad press here but I used one for my first job here and I am about to start my fifth year at the same place so I can't complain.
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The_Kong



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doogsville wrote:

The only university vacancies you'll see in February are likely to be because teachers either died or did a runner. If it's the latter the school won't even know they have a vacancy until about the second week of the semester.


There is another couple of possibilities, and I speak from experience.

Over the years we've had one teacher drop out at the last minute almost every other year.

One time a guy purchased his airplane ticket and everything, sent me a copy of his e-ticket and we set up the time and place I would meet him in the airport and he just never showed up. I sent him an e-mail and he didn't respond until a week later saying that he received a promotion at the job he was at so decided to stay in the US instead of coming to China. Luckily I was also picking up some other teachers the same day so it wasn't a complete waste.

I had one guy e-mail me a week before and tell me he was going to Korea instead.

I had a woman e-mail me two weeks before she was due to arrive and say she wasn't coming because her 'personal circumstances' had changed.

It is possible to find a decent school that has been screwed over by a teacher not showing up or cancelling at the last minute, but you don't really have any way of differentiating between them or the crap schools that had a teacher run upon arrival.

Another possibility is a teacher did arrive and was so horrible they fired him/her immediately (something that also happened to us about 6 years ago).
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doogsville



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PittsburghSound wrote:
Hmmm. I was told to not even consider private schools. Apparently, a lot of them are scams.

I may have to reconsider.


Indeed, a lot of them are. Not all of them though. If you can find a half way decent one, by which I mean one that provides a z visa, resident permit etc, provides housing on arrival and a fixed schedule that doesn't kill you for a decent amount of money, then go for it. Sure, it's weekend work, mostly teaching children of various ages and involves a lot more jumping around in class than the average uni gig, but it's also a foot in the door.

As I said, if you sign up for six months in February/March you'll finish up just in time to move to a university job.
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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the good info! Another possibility:

What if the universities have some people leaving after this semester who originally began their first contract in February/March? I'm not sure there would be a lot of this happening, but it may be a factor. I'm willing to cast a wide net to find out.

I'm not very picky about location as long as I don't freeze my rear end off in a place like Harbin. In reality, I'll go wherever there's a decent school and wherever I can get my Z Visa without a hitch.
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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my passport came in the mail today. I suppose I can begin the real search, but it may be a bit too early.
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Wo Dong



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion, if you are AP certified China is the place to be right now. If you are not in this category you can make much better money in Korea, Singapore, and Japan working less hours with less BS.
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Voyeur



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AP certified with certified/qualified teacher status? Or will just AP certification and experience do?
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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent an email to a school, and they said:

"Thank you for sending your resume to us. Unfortunately our recruitment schedule for next year doesn't start until January. If you are still interested, please contact us again at that time to see if any positions are open."

Isn't that a bit strange since the next semester starts in early March? It seemed like a great school in a good location, too.
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Alien abductee



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you specify that you were hoping to start work in March 2015? By "recruitment schedule for next year" maybe they meant next September meaning in the early part of 2015 they ask their current teachers if they plan to stay for another year after which they'll know how many people they need come September. "Next year" and "next semester" aren't exactly the same and this kind of miscommunication happens.
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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I told them I was looking to start in March 2015, and they said they don't start recruiting for those jobs until January.
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Alien abductee



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two months is a bit tight unless you're coming from within the country or another country in the region, then it's more than enough. If it's a university then possibly (likely) they don't have much turnover in mid-year and they feel they can get it all done in less than two months on the rare occasion they do it. The most time-consuming part of the whole process is waiting for the work permit and invitation letter to be processed at this end. That can take 2-4 weeks alone. The rest is easy.
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PittsburghSound



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I'll just have to try other schools. I figure even if they aren't looking to begin the hiring process now, they'll at least tell me when they will be ready, just like that school did.
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Markness



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't listen to the negative nancy's. I came here on a contract that paid me 4800 yuan per month with housing. I stopped that contract 6 months in because I realized the recruiter was getting paid 14,000 per month and was taking that much from me. I moved to a training school and now make double that and can make triple if I work serious overtime. I decided to just take my 20 teaching hours and now make 10,500 per month (not including bonuses), and I work mainly on the weekends. I work hard for 3 days a week and 4 days are easy (including 2 days off). My school assists with housing as well. My salary cap is quite high. There are lots of incentives. If you want, you can even do IELTs for about 3-5,000RMB per weekend, problem is is that they don't cover your VISA, if you get married to a local though... that could take care of that problem, heh! Forgot to mention that even though my GF lives with me, I am able to save about 1000 dollars per month, which ain't too bad for only being back here for about 6 months.

There are loads of students (well, enough), that are willing to pay 150-200+ rmb per hour. Judging on how rich the student is, you can even go and charge upwards of 300+RMB per hour for privates. I haven't scored big ones like that but my friends have. I was just offered a 2 hour 250 RMB per hour contract from someone, but I'm too lazy. There is work to be had out there, as long as you are looking for it.

If you just want to just relax on a low hours/pay contract and practice your Chinesezez then you can do that too. Lots of flexibility in your lifestyle here.
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