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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck, I grew out of Banville's stuff in my late 60s. Now I'm rereading Dr. Suess.
You can find some REAL wisdom there. Very Happy

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Johnslat

But have you actually read any of his? And how many have you, actually?


With Communist greetings

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ach, Bainville -well, I find his work rhetorical in the extreme, dramatically elaborated, wholly unnatural, synthetic and clotted.

Now, for his bad points . . . . Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Johnslat

So, the answer is... Zero, then : )


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sasha,

Your response shows me you didn't get the "inside joke." Very Happy

Guess you didn't read THAT one of Banville's, but we ancients have seen the light.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to come to the defence of Stephen King, and I'm not even American! I admit a few books are far fetched, long-winded and a bit boring, and I wish he'd see there's life outside of New England.

These are some books I liked, from memory so I will have missed a few. What's so bad about these?

Green Mile
Shawshank Redemption
Apt Pupil
The Stand - OK, too long, but what an epic and scary (and plausible) story
Misery

Under The Dome - haven't managed to finish it yet!

On Writing has some great sections on how not to be wordy (do as I say...?), adverb avoidance and just not writing badly (adv). I'd even recommend On Writing to those who avoid his fiction.[/b]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Johnslat

I'll yet see the light if I cleave to it, eh?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
I have to come to the defence of Stephen King, and I'm not even American! I admit a few books are far fetched, long-winded and a bit boring, and I wish he'd see there's life outside of New England.

These are some books I liked, from memory so I will have missed a few. What's so bad about these?

Green Mile
Shawshank Redemption
Apt Pupil
The Stand - OK, too long, but what an epic and scary (and plausible) story
Misery

Under The Dome - haven't managed to finish it yet!

On Writing has some great sections on how not to be wordy (do as I say...?), adverb avoidance and just not writing badly (adv). I'd even recommend On Writing to those who avoid his fiction.[/b]


Gimme Orwell any day...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Him too, although he wasn't as prolific as Stephen King, and I have to admit Homage to Catalonia is one of the few books I struggled with and never finished.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love Orwell, Like King - The Stand, well, I'll let this gentleman tell how it affected him:

"The Stand is a masterpiece, and I don't use that word lightly. King says in the novel's introduction that he "wanted to write a fantasy epic like The Lord of the Rings, only with an American setting", and that's absolutely what he did. I didn't read Tolkien when I was a kid, I read this. These pieces are about me rereading King's work, and with The Stand, there were sections that felt almost as if I could recite them. It made me who I am, I think. It started me thinking that I really wanted to write a novel, not just play with stories. It made me want to practise and work at my writing, and then write drafts of books that wouldn't ever come to anything, and then, after years of turmoil, write a novel that finally got published, called The Testimony. And it wasn't until I was sitting in an editorial meeting about it, and somebody mentioned The Stand that it all fell into place. The Testimony is a novel where everybody in the world hears what might be the voice of God; and then people start falling ill, some awful flu-like symptom destroying them. Some, a small percentage, are immune to God's words, and – it seems – the illness. It's written from the viewpoints of many different characters, all of them showing different shades of humanity, of morality. Things go nuclear. It's nothing like The Stand, when you actually get down to it, but as I sat in that editorial meeting, and as I read The Stand again, I realised that I am wholly, totally indebted to King's book. I couldn't have written The Testimony without wanting to capture some of what The Stand did in me; and so I wouldn't be who I am without having read it, and having had it in my life. I don't think it's King's best novel – there are many more to come that could lay claim to that title – but, to me, it's easily his most important."

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/aug/03/rereading-stephen-king-the-stand

Can I get an AMEN?

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John
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:


(from the article posted by John)

I wouldn't be who I am without having read it, and having had it in my life.


I wouldn't go that far. It's a scary book throughout, and even the final chapters unearth new dread, e.g. will new born babies also succumb?

With such a huge book, you get to know the characters well over the six weeks or so you need to read it. Once you finish, it's like breaking up with a good friend, and you spend the next day or two wondering what to do next. But that's common with bigger or better books, isn’t it?

My only criticism, again, is Stephen King's parochialism. If the bad guys in Vegas were already flying warplanes, they could fly larger commercial jets too, as could people in the rest of the world. He should have dealt with this.

What scares me most, though, is I would choose Las Vegas over Boulder every time. I'm a bad guy. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James Joyce wasn't that prolific either. Just four or five books...

How do posters feel about Barbara Cartland then? Or Jackie Collins. Plenty of life-changing output to choose from : )
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