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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Capt, you need to learn nobody is here to deal with your accusations, or is answerable to you or your challenges. Please stay on topic and away from personal remarks. |
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Capt Lugwash
Joined: 14 Aug 2014 Posts: 346
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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No, what I have learnt is that you make false personal allegations and when challenged simply ignore, which is what I shall do with any of your posts in future. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I give up! False allegations? Report it to the Mods. But you'd better be quick, because this thread doesn't look likely to have much unlocked time left to it.
Mar sin leat! |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. My reading skills are fairly proficient, and I can't find where Sash has made any false personal allegations....
Vote for thread lock. I'm offended by this:
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Spiral if you think I drew the female conclusion from a username then you are sadly mistaken. I have no intention of drawing the ire of every other lady poster on this site by spelling out why I know and if you don't then heaven help you. |
Basically no-one's business who of us belong to which gender. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi Mod Team


Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 6613 Location: Need to know basis only.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Let's all get back on topic and avoid the insults. If not, well, you know..... |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 16 Aug 2009 Posts: 458 Location: Saigon, Vietnam
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
Don't be so sure. Polls are skewed in favour of fatcats, who tend to be "No"-voters. |
Don't worry, it won't happen. It didn't happen in Canada, either, in 1995. The "No" vote will prevail.
You know that, also. It's just that the media love to whip everyone up into a frenzy. Just like this ISIS / ISIL bullshit. Like it's the first time those U.S. funded and trained militants have ever cut anyone's head off or eaten their organs.
God, I hate corporate, mainstream media. |
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Dedicated
Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 972 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Should this decision for Scotland to go it alone be left to the 4 million or so residents of Scotland who are over 16....
Nobody has asked the English what we feel about this separation - 'no vote, no voice'.
The number of people outside Scotland who identify themselves as Scots is about 18 million in the New World alone, including 6 million in America, 5 million in Canada and nearly 2 million in Australia. They cannot vote. Yet all the overseas Scots I know think the idea of Scotland's becoming an independent state seems like economic self-immolation.
On the currency question - sterlingisation/ the euro / the groat - the oil revenues, the debt, the spending pledges, the policies of the Scottish National Party simply don't add up. If Scotland votes 'yes', it will be voting for a far nastier economic shock than roughly half of Scots seem to grasp.
The point is that my grandfather's pride in being Scottish was inseparable from their pride in being British. We should remember the heroism of our grandfathers' generation. They were the keenest to volunteer when the First World War broke out. By December 1915, just under 27 per cent of Scottish men aged 15-49 had volunteered - well above the UK average. In some Hebridean communities it was close to all the men.
Perhaps it is not a coincidence that the SNP was founded in 1934 and remembering that the SNP's leader during the war, Douglas Young, was jailed for refusing to fight Hitler.
Alex Salmond's vision of Scotland is more Bonehead than Braveheart. |
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Mushkilla

Joined: 17 Apr 2014 Posts: 320 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:29 am Post subject: |
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What will happen if the result of the referendum is 50/50?
Then I guess, they will toss a coin?
Possible..? Let's wait tomorrow, the day of judgement for the Scottish people!
My feeling is that the "No" vote will be 51.7% and "Yes" vote will be 48.3% |
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Mushkilla

Joined: 17 Apr 2014 Posts: 320 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Today is the D-day for Scotland, who will be the next King of Scotland?
1. Alex Salmond
2. David Cameron
3. Franz Duke of Bavaria (descended from James I, who united the English and Scottish thrones in 1603).
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 16 Aug 2009 Posts: 458 Location: Saigon, Vietnam
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Mushkilla wrote: |
My feeling is that the "No" vote will be 51.7% and "Yes" vote will be 48.3% |
Yes, you're probably right. In fact, I think that is very similar to the results in the Quebec referendum in '95.
There're obviously a lot of separatists who are voting "Yes" but the "No" vote will win. |
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Mushkilla

Joined: 17 Apr 2014 Posts: 320 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, Scotland has decided:
No independence, and the next Queen of Scotland is still her majesty the Queen EII.
NO = 55%
YES = 45%
My prediction was: NO = 51.7% and YES = 48.3% (not very far!).
The sky over Scotland is clear, and the future of Scotland under her majesty will be more brighter! 
Last edited by Mushkilla on Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:46 am; edited 1 time in total |
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oxi
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 347 Location: elsewhere
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Mushkilla wrote: |
The sky over Scotland is clear, and the future of Scotland under her majesty will be more brighter!  |
Could get cloudy! |
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Hod
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:27 am Post subject: |
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This will save Sean Connery the price of an air ticket. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Well! This just means that Scotland, and the Royal Navy bases, remains a target for Russian rockets. Might have seemed quite unrealistic a year ago, but in light of recent events elsewhere... |
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Dedicated
Joined: 18 May 2007 Posts: 972 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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All three main parties have offered to greatly expand the powers of Scotland's parliament. Since 1998, Holyrood has controlled education, the environment, health housing, local government, law and order and sport. Now it will get greater control over welfare and job creation, but security and the currency will stay under Westminster's control. Draft laws will be published on 25th January 2015, Burns night.
Identifiable public spending per head in Scotland is 10,152 GB pounds which is 1,364 GB pounds above the UK average and 1,623 GB pounds higher than in England according to the Barnet formula.
Holyrood can currently raise or lower income tax by 10p in the pound, although it is yet to use this power. Labour has offered the power to vary income tax by up to 15p in the pound, while the Tories have gone further calling for full devolution of income tax. However, if Scotland's central funding also continues at its current preferential rate, a backlash from MPs in rUK is likely. Further devolution would require a UK -wide referendum.
The referendum has prompted more debate over whether Westminster's 59 Scottish MPs should be allowed to vote on issues that only affect the English, the so-called West Lothian question. The dispute will intensify if Holyrood gains further powers. One widely touted solution is to award more powers to England's own regions. But time and again, England's regions have said 'no thanks' to devolution. |
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