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3701 W.119th



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a qualified history teacher. I don't want schools 'selling' me to students as such, simply because I have a 10 year old BA in the subject. It's nonsense. I came here to teach English.

I agree with you though, it would probably be more interesting.
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listerialysin



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: Ease of Finding Position in Smaller Cities Reply with quote

littlelauren86 wrote:
Hi,

I am currently deciding on positions at international schools for myself.

However, I have a boyfriend that's going to follow me to China. I'm not sure which city yet, but I've been considering positions in big cities and smaller cities.

My concern is, how difficult would it be for him to follow me and secure a position? He has an online TOEFL and more than a decade of teaching experience in EFL. He does not have a teaching license, so we aren't considering the same type of positions.

I'm not looking to support him financially, and I've seen many low salaries advertised in China. Do you think it's safe for him to follow me? Would he be a competitive candidate for jobs with a decent salary in China?


It only matters the schools in a city, not the size of the city. You're being far too vague. And, the whole boyfriend following a girlfriend to the other side of the world is always a bad thing. I watched dozens of relationships fall apart and then it affects the school, the job, student choice of which teacher to side with, etc. Also, you're not married, so be sure you follow the accepted cultural beliefs as required by common sense and contract.
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Brunouno



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3701 W.119th wrote:
I'm not a qualified history teacher. I don't want schools 'selling' me to students as such, simply because I have a 10 year old BA in the subject. It's nonsense. I came here to teach English.

I agree with you though, it would probably be more interesting.


I wouldn't dismiss the idea of teaching history if you have a degree in the area. Have you thought about teaching history in an international school? Not all of them require QTS in your home country, and they still pay very well compared to other jobs. if you have a CELTA, then I think you know the basics to get you through it. Remember that in most countries it only takes 1 year of postgraduate study to become a certified teacher. A hell of a lot of the coursework is fluff and the usual Western do-gooder dribble. We are all pretty hopeless when we start teaching whether qualified or unqualified Razz
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: Ease of Finding Position in Smaller Cities Reply with quote

listerialysin wrote:


It only matters the schools in a city, not the size of the city. You're being far too vague. And, the whole boyfriend following a girlfriend to the other side of the world is always a bad thing. I watched dozens of relationships fall apart and then it affects the school, the job, student choice of which teacher to side with, etc. Also, you're not married, so be sure you follow the accepted cultural beliefs as required by common sense and contract.


Some of the very traditional Chinese, such as listerialysin, might object to your "living in sin".
But, in my six years in China I am not aware of any Chinese person that really cares about what type of relationships us foreigners have.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Ease of Finding Position in Smaller Cities Reply with quote

listerialysin wrote:
littlelauren86 wrote:
Hi,

I am currently deciding on positions at international schools for myself.

However, I have a boyfriend that's going to follow me to China. I'm not sure which city yet, but I've been considering positions in big cities and smaller cities.

My concern is, how difficult would it be for him to follow me and secure a position? He has an online TOEFL and more than a decade of teaching experience in EFL. He does not have a teaching license, so we aren't considering the same type of positions.

I'm not looking to support him financially, and I've seen many low salaries advertised in China. Do you think it's safe for him to follow me? Would he be a competitive candidate for jobs with a decent salary in China?


It only matters the schools in a city, not the size of the city. You're being far too vague. And, the whole boyfriend following a girlfriend to the other side of the world is always a bad thing. I watched dozens of relationships fall apart and then it affects the school, the job, student choice of which teacher to side with, etc. Also, you're not married, so be sure you follow the accepted cultural beliefs as required by common sense and contract.


Hey listeria this is Dave's ESL Job Related China. Not Dr Phil.
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littlelauren86



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's difficult to use quotes from my cell phone.

Nomad-ish: I also figure that China would have a lot more for us to see. It'll be interesting. My boyfriend is looking into outdoorsy activities already. It always surprised me when people traveled to Korea for the sightseeing. In my opinion, there aren't many touristy sights here.

Listeria: You're a bit off base there. I wouldn't consider Korea to be on the other side of the world, for one. Plus, both of us are generally interested in going somewhere else. As I indicated on the first page, we aren't looking at the same type of positions, so your in-school disaster scenario doesn't apply here. In the event of a break up, both of us will be doing well for ourselves. That's why I asked the question here -- I wanted to make sure he has a good situation as well.

And I agree with Brunouno about teaching history. If I were in that position, I would have accepted the offer.
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hdeth



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

littlelauren86 wrote:
It's difficult to use quotes from my cell phone.

Nomad-ish: I also figure that China would have a lot more for us to see. It'll be interesting. My boyfriend is looking into outdoorsy activities already. It always surprised me when people traveled to Korea for the sightseeing. In my opinion, there aren't many touristy sights here.

Listeria: You're a bit off base there. I wouldn't consider Korea to be on the other side of the world, for one. Plus, both of us are generally interested in going somewhere else. As I indicated on the first page, we aren't looking at the same type of positions, so your in-school disaster scenario doesn't apply here. In the event of a break up, both of us will be doing well for ourselves. That's why I asked the question here -- I wanted to make sure he has a good situation as well.

And I agree with Brunouno about teaching history. If I were in that position, I would have accepted the offer.


The problem with tourism in China is that the sites are either:

a. very generic. Most historic buildings were trashed at some point and rebuilt. They were rebuilt in very similar ways so they all sort of look the same. Once you've been to a couple you really start to notice this. Yes there are some exceptions but a huge number of the buildings look pretty much identical.

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b. way out in the middle of nowhere and hard to get to without a car or gas motorbike.

Outdoorsey stuff tends to be pretty limited.

Have you checked out Vietnam as an option?
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Deats



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to disagree about outdoor stuff being limited. How many AMAZING national parks does China have? Go to Tibet, Yunnan, Sichuan... actually just go to pretty much any province.

I do agree about some of the temples, city walls etc. All newly built. You usually can't tell because in true Chinese style they are falling to pieces after a couple of years... Starts to make their stuff look authentic as they are so poorly rebuilt Laughing

Never really found it a problem to reach tourist attractions in China. If there isn't a public bus, then a taxi will cost you a few dollars. Also flying in country is usually very cheap - or there are night trains galore.
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Son of Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Ease of Finding Position in Smaller Cities Reply with quote

listerialysin wrote:

I watched dozens of relationships fall apart...


Dozens?
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hdeth



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deats wrote:
Have to disagree about outdoor stuff being limited. How many AMAZING national parks does China have? Go to Tibet, Yunnan, Sichuan... actually just go to pretty much any province.

I do agree about some of the temples, city walls etc. All newly built. You usually can't tell because in true Chinese style they are falling to pieces after a couple of years... Starts to make their stuff look authentic as they are so poorly rebuilt Laughing

Never really found it a problem to reach tourist attractions in China. If there isn't a public bus, then a taxi will cost you a few dollars. Also flying in country is usually very cheap - or there are night trains galore.


You could easily spend 300+ yuan getting from a major city to some of the more interesting national parks by taxi. From my experience bus service often isn't available to the more interesting places....once there's plentiful bus service they build them into generic tourist traps.

I agree domestic airfare is very cheap but the price racks up. Would you really spend several hundred USD visiting a place for a weekend?

Perhaps I am just uptight and frugal, but I can't imagine blowing $200-300+ on a weekend trip, and I don't really fancy a long ride on a night train after a full week of work. Also with the trains a decent sleeper ticket is almost as expensive as airfare and I don't think I will ever do a long stint on a hard seat again....once was enough.

EDIT:
Going to Tibet legally is also very expensive. Have to be part of a tour group, get special licenses....at least as an American.
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Deats



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Hdeth, I totally agree with you that to go for a weekend would be really expensive. But I also think that is true for any country. Going from Fri night to Sun night there is no 'spreading' of the cost. If you go for a whole week though, you don't really feel the airfare as much. Once you are in said destination the only additional cost to what you have at home is the hotel and possibly attractions.

One example of a really cheap adventure in nature (or at least this was my experience a few years back) is Tiger Leaping Gorge in Yunnan. We hiked the gorge for a couple of days and I think it was something daft like a 10Y fee and then the hotel on the way was 15Y. Can't really beat that. You can carry on hiking to Shangri-la. It is near Lijiang so we also spent a couple of days there and the hotel was 30Y. Other than getting there and away the trip was basically free. On the hike we met about 6 other people.

There are so many places in China that you can pick and choose. If you don't want expensive taxi fares, then don't go to the places where you need a taxi!

Most places in China also have accessible day/weekend trips from whatever city you live in. For example from Guangzhou you could go to other large cities, Macao, HK, Shenzhen etc or head north into the forest or south to the beach. Loads of stuff to keep you occupied and only a couple of hours on a fast train. Not expensive or time consuming. Same goes if you look at Shanghai or what not.
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