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hdeth



Joined: 20 Jan 2015
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deats wrote:
I have seen a few jobs at unis that require an MA and pay a lot more. A recent uni job in Xiamen required MA and paid 14,000 for 12 months.

Also, the uni where I will work pays 36,000 more for an MA per year and 60,000 more for a PHD.

That's not too shabby.


Could you post or PM the names?
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Angel.Ro



Joined: 09 May 2015
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked at some programs just out of curiosity; an online MA at USC is $50,000. Based on everything I've read and heard, it would be a really long time before you ever got your money back.

And yeah the only reason I had concern about universities requiring more in the future was looking at past trends in other Asian countries. For example I saw on the Japan forums now that in order to get a good uni job, you need a phd or ma, and have to have a solid grasp of the Japanese language as well.
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Voyeur



Joined: 03 Jul 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For your base, Z Visa job, I think that private training schools offer both the worst and the best jobs.

The problem I have with public institutions like MS, HS, and Universities is that the negotiating authority and discretion is often limited. Once you are established, and if you are good, your boss is often still limited in what he can pay you. Either decisions are made in another city, as is often the case at HS International programs, or there is a more formal system that requires certain qualifications. They can't pay you more--past a point--just because you are an excellent teacher and draw students.

On the other hand, the best Z Visa jobs I have seen for people with middling formal qualifications, have been at private centers where a teacher has established his or herself. If the boss thinks they can make more money by keeping you and paying you more, they have the freedom to cut you in as much as they want.

In a nutshell, I think public school and Uni jobs can be great starting places for new teachers in China, but the better teachers who can network and negotiate (but aren't getting lots of formal qualifications) often need to leave the public sector for the really prime jobs.
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weigookin74



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kungfuman wrote:
I was recently offered a uni gig - pay was 12,000 a month after tax inc housing. 16 classes a week only business classes. But only a 10 month contract. A friend works there for 8 years - they never paid him for the summer.

Plus when I asked about health insurance The answer was sidestepped and I never got a real answer. My friend's wife said the contract DOES say health insurance but he never actually got it.

My current gig is 18,000 a month paid for a whole year and includes real health insurance - when I go to the hospital I never have to pay as long as the cost is 1000 per visit or less. I need to pay anything over 1000y


What kind of hospital is it? Is it a modern facility when you go?
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kungfuman



Joined: 31 May 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Choice of private health care clinics aimed at foreigners or several different hospitals.

I go to the hospital, yes.

Kowloon Hospital in Suzhou. Seemingly very new.
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OhBudPowellWhereArtThou



Joined: 02 Jun 2015
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Markness wrote:


The time has already come. Razz

BA: 5500
MA: 6000
PHD: 6500

Well worth the thousands of dollars of post-secondary education.. pfft, ha ha ha.



The PhD salary typically has been pegged at 7280rmb per month in Jiangsu for ten years at public universities. What province are you quoting your figures from?
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litterascriptor



Joined: 17 Jan 2013
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Markness wrote:
Things got even more retarded when we got a foreign teacher manager who wanted to move up the food-chain as quickly as possible. The way he thought he could do this quickest was by saving the company money and by enforcing the companies illegal practices, such as working longer than 8 hours a day, trying to make us come in on our days off, trying to make people get un-paid training, deducting people's pay if they missed doing an office hour (this could be something like, you had to do one of those impromptu classes because someone called-in sick last second, he felt that everyone HAD to do everything, or else he felt you had insulted him). He would constantly harass us about not making our hours even though the dim-wit knew that there were holidays that we would have that were unpaid and the students would always cancel on those days. We would have to come in on the holidays and do office hour crap to make our hours, even though the only reason we wouldn't make it was because the greedy school was open during EVERY holiday. We also had unpaid sick days which meant we would get docked a day of pay (this is illegal), and I brought it up to the head office and guess what.. white knight foreign teacher manager and the other Chinese managers tried to bully me after that. I threatened the company with a lawyer and they backed off. The Chinese are just so bad at business. "We have a hard time getting foreign teachers to come to our school, so let's try to bully them/screw them over so they keep leaving, and then we don't have any teachers!". This happened to the New Orientals in my city and will definitely happen at the training school I was working at. If you want the name of them then send me a PM. They're pretty much only in Chengdu.



Sounds like you worked/work for Aston Education. Their home office is a haven for spineless wimps who cater to whatever the franchise owner's every whim.
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