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mitsui
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Non-natives who get a MA, like one in TESOL can get decent work.
I have known people from Korea, Brazil, Poland, Costa Rica and Finland who have done this.
Most of them studied in the USA, and I think they only studied in the US for their MA, but may have taken classes to get a high score on the TOEFL. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| GTZetton wrote: |
| Hmm. I've just read that ALTs and eikaiwa employees indeed have to go for different visas (another lesson learned, one I should have learned sooner, I will admit), as you say. But that makes me wonder about the JET programme in the Netherlands. As I recall, 'we' send 2 ALTs and 1 CIR (what visa would a CIR go for, by the way?) every year. I find it hard to imagine the ALTs always meet the English education standard for an instructor visa. In fact, it would make JET programmes in non-English speaking countries seem inherently illegal/useless. |
CIRs have humanities visas. They usually work in city/ town offices, not schools.
Here's a link to a page from a Dutch ALT in the JET program from the Embassy of Japan in the Netherlands.
http://www.nl.emb-japan.go.jp/e/culture/jet13_report_lieuwe.html
Given the competition (only two ALTs for the entire country), I'm guessing that they do get people who've done English Immersion for most of their lives. The JET ALT job is to introduce your home country (assuming that the local contracting board of education cares about your country. If not, then nobody really cares about your country). Not to teach English. Note that this guy says that there is a sister city arrangement between his contracting organization in Japan and someplace in the Netherlands. That may be the situation for the other ALT from the Netherlands as well. |
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Nemu_Yoake
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
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Location: Iwate
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| The 12-year requirement is just for hijoukin jobs. If you can land a joukin job, then you can get the Instructor visa as a non-native speaker of English. |
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GTZetton
Joined: 27 Jun 2015
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Nemu_Yoake wrote: |
| The 12-year requirement is just for hijoukin jobs. If you can land a joukin job, then you can get the Instructor visa as a non-native speaker of English. |
Other than that the words translate to full/part-time, what do they actually mean in a practical sense? I don't need 12 years if I'm only an ALT 2-3 days a week? Or I'm teaching by myself, in a school, 2-3 days a week?
Changing the topic a bit: in light of the fact that changing your visa can take up to 2 months, reducing the effective job searching time to only 30 days (out of a 90 day tourist visa), I'm wondering if it is a possibility to extend those 30 days to 4 months by changing my return ticket to, say, Korea, to stay there for a short while (let's say a week or so), and then go back and start with another 90 days with a fresh tourist visa. I imagine this might be getting into some legally sketchy areas, but I'm just asking. Someone I know told me that Dutch friends of his who live in Indonesia do this and, as he put it, "go grocery shopping in Malaysia for a weekend" and then come back. |
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Nemu_Yoake
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't mean full time/part time, it's more like standard employee and non-standard employee. You can be a hijoukin even if you work 35h a week.
Usually, you become a joukin of a school when you passed their official recruitment examination. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| GTZetton wrote: |
| Nemu_Yoake wrote: |
| The 12-year requirement is just for hijoukin jobs. If you can land a joukin job, then you can get the Instructor visa as a non-native speaker of English. |
Other than that the words translate to full/part-time, what do they actually mean in a practical sense? I don't need 12 years if I'm only an ALT 2-3 days a week? Or I'm teaching by myself, in a school, 2-3 days a week?
Changing the topic a bit: in light of the fact that changing your visa can take up to 2 months, reducing the effective job searching time to only 30 days (out of a 90 day tourist visa), I'm wondering if it is a possibility to extend those 30 days to 4 months by changing my return ticket to, say, Korea, to stay there for a short while (let's say a week or so), and then go back and start with another 90 days with a fresh tourist visa. I imagine this might be getting into some legally sketchy areas, but I'm just asking. Someone I know told me that Dutch friends of his who live in Indonesia do this and, as he put it, "go grocery shopping in Malaysia for a weekend" and then come back. |
You get the job first. Then you change your visa. Most jobs (the majority really) are found less than two months before the begin. You can get your visa changed in less than a month, if it's necessary (I've done it in a week and a half. I had to write a letter [it was in English]). Immigration isn't really out to screw people over. if a school wants to hire you, then immigration will do what they can to make sure that it happens. It's EASIER for a school if you already have a valid visa of the same type they need. But it really isn't a requirement or even something that people actually worry about. I've even known people who get a job like April 2nd for an April 1st start (they were hired beyond last second when someone balked without notice) and they spent most of a day at immigration, then the following morning, then they had the required visa. And they did this when there was only a couple of days left on their visa, so they were looking at leaving the country if it didn't happen. |
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GTZetton
Joined: 27 Jun 2015
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| Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
| GTZetton wrote: |
| Nemu_Yoake wrote: |
| The 12-year requirement is just for hijoukin jobs. If you can land a joukin job, then you can get the Instructor visa as a non-native speaker of English. |
Other than that the words translate to full/part-time, what do they actually mean in a practical sense? I don't need 12 years if I'm only an ALT 2-3 days a week? Or I'm teaching by myself, in a school, 2-3 days a week?
Changing the topic a bit: in light of the fact that changing your visa can take up to 2 months, reducing the effective job searching time to only 30 days (out of a 90 day tourist visa), I'm wondering if it is a possibility to extend those 30 days to 4 months by changing my return ticket to, say, Korea, to stay there for a short while (let's say a week or so), and then go back and start with another 90 days with a fresh tourist visa. I imagine this might be getting into some legally sketchy areas, but I'm just asking. Someone I know told me that Dutch friends of his who live in Indonesia do this and, as he put it, "go grocery shopping in Malaysia for a weekend" and then come back. |
You get the job first. Then you change your visa. Most jobs (the majority really) are found less than two months before the begin. You can get your visa changed in less than a month, if it's necessary (I've done it in a week and a half. I had to write a letter [it was in English]). Immigration isn't really out to screw people over. if a school wants to hire you, then immigration will do what they can to make sure that it happens. It's EASIER for a school if you already have a valid visa of the same type they need. But it really isn't a requirement or even something that people actually worry about. I've even known people who get a job like April 2nd for an April 1st start (they were hired beyond last second when someone balked without notice) and they spent most of a day at immigration, then the following morning, then they had the required visa. And they did this when there was only a couple of days left on their visa, so they were looking at leaving the country if it didn't happen. |
While that's somewhat comforting to hear, I feel like I should make it clear that I won't be able to go on a working holiday visa since the Netherlands isn't on that list of countries. So I'll be going as a tourist without a visa, with only a passport. |
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GTZetton
Joined: 27 Jun 2015
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Short update: one month later, and I'm here. Sitting in a room in Miyakojima-ku (Osaka). The search continues. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010
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I know a European guy who recently did three 90 day tourist VISAs back to back by leaving the country and coming back in.
Before giving him his third tourist VISA, immigration told him that he may have trouble if he comes back for a fourth one in a row.
Take that as you will. |
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Nemu_Yoake
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| nightsintodreams wrote: |
I know a European guy who recently did three 90 day tourist VISAs back to back by leaving the country and coming back in.
Before giving him his third tourist VISA, immigration told him that he may have trouble if he comes back for a fourth one in a row.
Take that as you will. |
I got this warning for my second consecutive 90 day tourist visa... I think the rule is 180 days a year in Japan on a tourist visa. |
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Lamarr
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:12 am Post subject: |
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That sounds about right. Two 90-day visas is standard. You can renew it at immigration. After that, it gets more tricky, and you probably need to leave the country and come back in if you want a third 90-day stint.
I had a friend who did that and they gave him and his Japanese partner a lengthy interview at the airport when he came back. I think what it boils down to is proving that you have enough funds to support yourself for the next 90-day stint. |
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GTZetton
Joined: 27 Jun 2015
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Just visited an Eikaiwa in Osaka to introduce myself, when suddenly I found myself sitting across from the (Japanese) CEO.
There are two things standing in the way of them taking me on for a trial, the first one being that they might not have enough free hours for me to work for a visa sponsorship. Fair enough. But the second one is a bit trickier and seems like something I could come across with most if not all other employers, which is that they want/need my original CELTA certificate, to show Immigrations. Copies not allowed.
Is it just me, or does that seem really dangerous? I've always been taught not to give originals of anything to anyone. How do I know I'll get it back? What if I'm applying for work elsewhere at the same time (which I am, because Gaba taught me to hedge my bets) and they also want the original? On that note, it looks like JET wants my original college diploma ("Certification of Graduation"). What the hell? |
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GTZetton
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Had my first, proper, scheduled interview yesterday which also led to me teaching three grade school kids (separately) and one adult. I was there for six hours... There was pizza involved near the end. And just now I received an email saying they're offering me the position! Training starts tomorrow! The hourly wage definitely isn't the greatest, but they offer a lot of freedom to either work more hours there, and/or find another job earlier in the day, and they seem like great people to work for and not at all like the soul sucking demons at bigger eikaiwa chains I've heard so much about.
For those interested, I got into contact with them through Kansai Flea Market. 16 applications on Gaijinpot in three weeks, and the only response I got was a "we're very sorry, but..." on a game localization gig (interestingly also the only non-teaching job I applied for), but I'm 1/1 on KFM. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Awesome mate, sounds like a great start.
Now you have your VISA in hand, you're free to stay and look for jobs elsewhere anyway. Keep that in mind if it goes sour.
I hope it doesn't though, wish you the best of luck. |
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kpjf
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Congrats! All that persistence has paid off. Hope it works out for you. |
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