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Hod



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: The pleasures of the flesh Reply with quote

grahamb wrote:
Thus spake Sawney Bean!


Are you BRUMMIE, one of the cryptic crossword setters for The Guardian?

I'm thinking of becoming one of these setters and just copying your posts on here for my clues. Keep it up. I'm struggling for 9 down and 14 across tomorrow.

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grahamb wrote:
Thus spake Sawney Bean!
Is it an anagram? Please advise.
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:15 pm    Post subject: Cryptic Reply with quote

Alas, I am not a crossword setter. I often attempt to solve the Weekend FT crossword, usually without success.

Sawney Bean is the cannibal equivalent of Robinson Crusoe, in other words a fictional character based on a real person.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sawney Bean ? He lived in a cave and waited for passers-by whom he ensnared and devoured. A 17th-century predecessor of scot47, and just as fictional. Invented by English Scotophobes.

http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/scotland/dumfriesshire/legends/the-legend-of-sawney-bean.html
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Hod



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Living in a sea cave, wouldn't a fishing rod have been an idea?
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:13 pm    Post subject: Gone fishin' Reply with quote

Quote:
wouldn't a fishing rod have been an idea?


Only if they fancied a change of diet.
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cartago



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's been a lot of news about people leaving Europe to go to ISIS more than the other way around. Concerns about refugees being ISIS members haven't really been substantiated.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not normally a language pedant, but what does "haven't really been" mean? Not being rude, but is it yes or no?

How about, have there really been any steps taken by EU governments to try and monitor these refugees, just in case some are less than desirable? (Yes).

Anyone sensible can see these refugees need help, although maybe you'd like to comment on the other middle eastern countries being as much help as a chocolate board marker, but there is a risk a small majority (refugees, not chocolate board markers) are not the nicest of people.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't really been means no.

The situation with illegal immigrants entering Europe from the Middle East isn't new. There isn't really anything that would have prevented terrorists from entering illegally before this current crisis. At the same time, we see citizens of European countries going to Syria to join ISIS. The migration seems to be movement of terrorists to the Middle East more than the other way around.

I know that in the UK immigrants are kept in a detention center until they're released if the British government decides to let them stay. I know some people who immigrated to Germany but haven't really asked them about their experience. I know they go through some process to get residency.

Other Middle Eastern countries actually house the majority of refugees, for example Iraq, Jordan and Turkey. I'm in Iraq and there's a huge number of Syrian refugees as well as those coming from ISIS affected parts of Iraq. I suppose you mean the Gulf countries. Yeah they could do more to help the refugees but I don't think that would effect the risk of terrorists entering Europe that you're so worried about.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cartago wrote:
Other Middle Eastern countries actually house the majority of refugees, for example Iraq, Jordan and Turkey.


And Turkey is a fairly safe, stable country. The refugees coming into Europe are just welfare shopping for the best benefits.

Oh, the Saudis did offer to help with the refugees. They offered to build 200 mosques in Germany. How nice of them.

http://www.ibtimes.com/amid-muslim-refugee-crisis-saudi-arabia-vows-build-200-mosques-germany-2090905
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cartago wrote:
At the same time, we see citizens of European countries going to Syria to join ISIS. The migration seems to be movement of terrorists to the Middle East more than the other way around.


Yeah, we are seeing that in the US as well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-man-accused-of-plotting-to-join-isis-pleads-guilty/

A "Minnesota man" [sic] tries to join Isis.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cartago wrote:
I don't think that would effect the risk of terrorists entering Europe that you're so worried about.


Because my family and I live there.

Maybe Iraq doesn't effect [sic] you, but I'd prefer some sort of normality. I've haven't really been to Iraq, but the UK FCO, for example, advise against all but essential travel.

I'm not having a pop, but why are you there? Just curious.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
Maybe Iraq doesn't effect [sic] you,
No. cartago used affect/effect correctly.

What about cartago's post can you cite that is of a character they were just "having a pop"? Speaking to intention might be difficult for you given your strong feelings on the topic and an ignorance of usage. You've framed your responses as "just curious" and earnest, but the text reads differently. Citing one's family is particularly cynical in its appeal as protecting loved ones is an inclusive, not exclusive, prerogative.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, I find your writing hard to understand. What are you on about?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
What are you on about?
It's a good line. I've used it myself, but in circumstances where it's warranted.
What is unclear, exactly? Cite a single sentence that is either ungrammatical or ambiguous in meaning.

Your use of [sic] asserted cartago has misused the terms affect and effect. But it's not so. You've merely failed to take a cheap shot and address the content of a post in favor of framing some intent behind the post. Not cool. But it's a contentious and serious topic and I'm pleased its discussion is possible on this site. Inaccuracy, but more importantly, an unwillingness to admit to it, poison a well.

You're not alone in voicing pointed concerns about events that have not fallen on Europe for generations. cartago addressed and respected the content of your post, but obviously holds a different opinion.

What's difficult about responding in kind? Stay on topic, the language of the topic, and refrain from speculation about posters and intention. Your contributions are obviously valued to this site given your long history. In this particular thread, your posts aren't demonstrating it.
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Hod



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cartago, like others I'm curious what you're up to in Iraq. I'm not the first who's asked.
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