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New to KSA? First (and second) impressions...
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tony87 wrote:
I'll tell you all again - there is NO FUN in the KSA, and no alcohol either.

Your argument isn't new, Tony. Besides, your definition of fun isn't universal.
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hash



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tony87 wrote:
I'll tell you all again - .........and no alcohol either.

Cultural SideBar:

1. Lest we forget, remember that the word “alcohol” is a direct descendant of the Arabic term “Al-Kohl” which meant something different than what our modern term does but was nevertheless involved with “intoxicating” effects of one sort or another. (Some argue the term goes back to Ancient Greek and the origins of "alchemy").

2. In any case, the “bacchic theme” has a long (since 6th cent.), proud and outstanding literary history in Arabic belles lettres, most famously exemplified in the incomparable “Khamriyyaat” (wine songs). The literature in the European languages is extensive. In Arabic such titles as (“The Acme of Joy in Praise of Wine” – 11th cent.) abounded.

“Classical Arab civilization produced the most extensive and highly developed bacchic tradition in world literature. (and, except among specialists, I might add, a tradition totally unknown in the West.).

from: http://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/3772787

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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Distilled liquor is of course a fairly modern invention by Arab Alchemists. The ancients knew only beer, mead and wine.
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tony87



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But you can't get any kind of liquor in Saudi Arabia. The religious police and retarded laws see to that.

There is NO fun in Saudi.
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CANDLES



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time I was there it was awful, starting from the brain dead passport control officers to the actual place of work.

The immigraton people are just VILE.... if you can get through that and past that, then the culture shock is a little less daunting. First impression is not good.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right. After all, alcohol is prohibited in Saudi, just as it was in the USA in the 20s.

And, as we all know, in the USA in the Roaring 20s, there was absolutely no alcohol and NO fun.

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John
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CANDLES



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never understood why alcohol is equated with 'fun'. Does that mean that people who are teetotallers are bland, boring and the rest of it?

Oh well....
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is life without alcohol. Fun can be had without getting drunk. If you need it, contacting a bootlegger should be relatively easy, unless you are in Qassim or Sharura.
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CANDLES



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or compounds where home-brewed disgusting stuff is available, plus hard liquor!
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bigdurian



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally speaking, I like my booze. I make it myself to my own standards.

Mead is probably my favourite, gone off wine a bit because there is only so much you can do with it. Mead is something else though, so many varieties and flavours. It can be 5% or 25%, sweet or dry. Mixed with fruit, spices, you name it. I've done it with strawberry, peach, white grape, red grape, plum, nothing, apple, dates, and may other things. To anyone interested, they do a 3kg jar of Sary 100% in Lulu for 45 SAR you can get at least 10 litres out of that probably.

Mead brewed with dates is fantastic, a real winter warmer!

Plus there is no need to add any sugar because it's all in the honey anyway. The oldest known drink known to man: "Drink of the Gods"


I've also been more than happy with my beer and cider results. Apart from the drinking of it, it's a great hobby. Always satisfying when a bottle opens with the sound of a champagne cork popping due to the pressure.

Many people I know probably end up drinking more in Saudi, due to expat social scene, cheapness, etc.
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2buckets



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid Deeki is my friend.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew teachers who BECAME alcoholics in Saudi, teachers who continued as alcoholics there, and people who became teetotalers there.

In one unique case, all three were the same person.

Regards,
John
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CANDLES



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't LIFE grand! Cool
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in KSA as a drunk and I lived there after getting sober. I know which was better !
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, if you think Saudi is bad when you're sober, try it with hangovers. Very Happy

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John
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