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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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steki47 wrote: |
Oh that article referred to Western European anthropologists. Cant remember the data on Eastern Europeans. |
It doesn't really matter. What matters are critical readings of the literature accorded by a colloquium. In this case it is evaluating what measures were asserted to have been relevant/supportive of conclusion. No doubt you're aware of what controversy can be engaged over Gould's Mismeasure assailing the topic of intelligence and its inheritability, but that's not what issue I address. Gould's documentation of physical parameters used to substantiate racial category is not contested. It's the same approach applied by German propaganda. And physical traits are what is commonly implied by broad categories such as black and white. In your posts, when you seek to discredit a university teaching staff as something-something whites, you are engaging in racist category to assert conclusion about motivation, applying racial language to construct socio-political argument-- racist rhetoric. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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buravirgil wrote: |
In your posts, when you seek to discredit a university teaching staff as something-something whites, you are engaging in racist category to assert conclusion about motivation, applying racial language to construct socio-political argument-- racist rhetoric. |
I never meant to discredit the uni staff for being white. I was mocking them for being cowards.
Gould? Really? His fraud has been well noted in academic circles. His political motivations (Marxist biology) also cloud much of his work. His buddy, Lewontin, is also known for his political activism as well as some first-class obscurantism. (Diamond as well.) Pinker has done a great job introducing Evolution 3.0 to the unwashed masses. We may be witnessing a paradigm shift in the sciences. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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steki47
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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And no awareness of the consequences of their actions. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Or is it possible - do you imagine - that they realized that the situation demanded their actions despite the possible consequences.?
No, you wouldn't ever imagine that.
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Or is it possible - do you imagine - that they realized that the situation demanded their actions despite the possible consequences.?
No, you wouldn't ever imagine that.
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John |
I can imagine Blacks (mean IQ 85) not understanding a calculus class, being surrounded by White and Asian students who can and getting angry. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Blacks won the right to never be offended or inconvenienced by anything and to never have to take responsibility for their actions.
I can also imagine most Whites being sissies and placating the angry children. To no avail, mind you.
Can you, Sir John of Slat, imagine Blacks having a speck of understanding of the larger world around them without relying on the modern voodoo of "institutional racism" and "white privilege"?
I can't. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Now that's something I hadn't known - that Blacks have a mean I.Q. of 85. So, I did a little research:
" By the same token, the disparity between black and white scores, Dr. Flynn and others argue, is because of similar disadvantages. The current worldwide disparity between privileged and deprived groups in I.Q. and school performance, they argue, is mainly a product of environmental influences - notably prejudice, low expectations, inferior schools and bad teaching.
When those factors are eliminated, new data show, the test scores of underprivileged minorities approximate those of whites. Research by George Chambers, professor of education at the University of Iowa, compared scores of Hispanic and white high school students on the American College Test, or A.C.T. The national average A.C.T. scores for Mexican-Americans is 15.2, for whites 19.6.
But when Dr. Chambers compared Hispanic and white students who were carefully matched in pairs for family income, courses taken and 11 other background factors, the differences between the groups' scores largely vanished. Among the most advantaged pairs) for instance, those with family incomes over $36,000 and who had taken advanced math and science courses) the Hispanic students scored an average 21.8, and the whites 23.4.
Perhaps the most telling bit of evidence comes from the I.Q. scores of castelike minorities who emigrate. Once they arrive in a country where they are free of any particular social discrimination, their children's I.Q. scores and school performance tend to match those of other children in the new country.
For instance, research by George DeVos, an anthropologist at the University of California at Berkeley, shows that in Japan the I.Q. gap between Burakumi and other Japanese is about as large as that between blacks and whites in America. But when the Burakumi come to this country, where they are treated as are any other Japanese, their children do as well on I.Q. tests and in school as do other Japanese.
DR. FLYNN sees his data as a direct challenge to the theories of Arthur Jensen, an educational psychologist at the University of California at Berkeley, who has calculated that 80 percent of I.Q. is traceable to genetic differences, while only 20 percent is traceable to environment. The great malleability of I.Q. scores in a single generation, however, points to environment, rather than genes, as having a much larger influence.
Dr. Neisser of Emory agrees. In his view, the low I.Q. scores and poor academic achievement of black children ''has little to do with their race or their genes: it is a consequence of the structure of society as a whole.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/10/education/an-emerging-theory-on-blacks-iq-scores.html?pagewanted=all
If Blacks (alas, we're back to those all-inclusive stereotypes again) won the right to never be offended or inconvenienced by anything and to never have to take responsibility for their actions, this seems strange:
"Poll: Blacks, whites agree police treat blacks differently"
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/09/poll-blacks-whites-agree-police-treat-blacks-differently/71918706/
"Another story that emphasizes this difference between black African performance in the UK compared to African American performance in the US was a report on London’s spectacular improvements in GCSE school achievement. The capital city has in recent years been doing so well compared to other areas of the country that it attracted some hot debates from different scholars about the causes. The main reason that has been offered and debated so far came from a highly reputable scholar who argued that these achievements of London are not due to any government policy but simply a result of three high achieving groups moving to London in recent years: Chinese, Indians, and Black Africans. The fact that such a statement can even be made proves how different the black Africans in the UK are from black Americans. How conceivable is it that researchers in America would propose something like, “the reason New York City is now leading in school performance nationwide is because it has a lot of Chinese, Indians and black Americans who have recently moved into the city in high numbers”? Mentioning blacks as part of the explanation for the academic success of any American city would sound like a page from an environmentalist science fiction novel, and yet it is accepted as a valid argument for the academic success of the biggest city in the UK!"
http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/
I don't have to "imagine" Blacks' being quite capable of "understanding of the larger world around them without relying on the modern voodoo of "institutional racism" and "white privilege" since over the decades I've known many who understood the world around them quite well.
Perhaps you should widen your circle of friends, get out more often, expand your horizons.
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John |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Environment it is then. So if we buy iPads for the ghetto kids, they will all become physicists? Good luck with that. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 2:43 am Post subject: |
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And Dr. Somnambulist Carson leads the pack. Awesome!
Thanks for the link!
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Steki |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that certainly shows that being a full-blown whacko does not prevent one from also being a world-class brain surgeon .
Though, admittedly, were I in need of his services, I believe I just might opt for another cutter.
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John |
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MI6agent
Joined: 16 Apr 2016 Posts: 87 Location: Dark Web
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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steki47 wrote: |
I can imagine Blacks (mean IQ 85) not understanding a calculus class, being surrounded by White and Asian students who can and getting angry. After the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Blacks won the right to never be offended or inconvenienced by anything and to never have to take responsibility for their actions.
I can also imagine most Whites being sissies and placating the angry children. To no avail, mind you.
Can you, Sir John of Slat, imagine Blacks having a speck of understanding of the larger world around them without relying on the modern voodoo of "institutional racism" and "white privilege"? I can't. |
Well, your president, Barack Hussein Obama, is the first African-American president of the USA. He has an IQ around 140.
“…during the 1987-88 academic year, ten African-American students from Columbia University applied to law school. Only two earned LSAT scores above the 63rd percentile, and those each had scores in the 94-98th percentile–i.e. scores between 42 and 45 on the 48-point scale then in use (166 to 171 on today’s 180-point scale). The other students earned scores that would have been extremely unlikely to qualify for admission, even considering factors such as affirmative action. Other demographic data from LSAC–including the fact that there were only two 27-year-old African-American students five years out of college that year who achieved scores in that range–further suggest that Obama’s LSAT scores were among the two from Columbia in the 94-98th percentile.”
Evidence for Obama's IQ around 140
1) Academic achievements: Obama graduated in the top 15% of Harvard; the most prestigious university in the world. Emminent law professor Laurence Tribe described Obama as the best student he ever had, out of thousands of students. While such over-the-top praise calls Tribe’s credibility into question, there is no disputing Obama got above average grades at Harvard.
2) Speaking ability: When Obama brings his A game, he can be extremely verbally skilled. Although liberals tend to exaggerate his brilliance to a ridiculous degree, even some extremely bright anti-Obama conservatives have acknowledged his talents.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/01/08/the-iq-of-president-obama/
Don't under estimate Black people, don't be like white liberals who want to erase black people and their unique contributions to American life. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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" . . . don't be like white liberals who want to erase black people and their unique contributions to American life."
Goodness - you really don't have a clue, do you?
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John |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
" . . . don't be like white liberals who want to erase black people and their unique contributions to American life."
Goodness - you really don't have a clue, do you?
Regards,
John |
I don´t think he does. Who are these white people who want to ¨erase¨ black people? |
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