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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013
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 Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 10:19 am Post subject: re Jon and Gulezar |
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The particular woman I'm thinking of had been in ESL. According to pals in other opcos, it isn't unusual to find ex EFL females in good positions at HQ and some who are even still teaching. If you don't work in the oil industry, don't comment on it.
And Gulezar, everyone here is worried about jobs. HCT is the one that gets the headlines here but the oil jobs have been going too. Fortunately for me, recent news has meant that I'm safe for some time to come.
14 k is pants in the UAE as is the 19k offer with no housing, discussed recently.
I've just been to the beach. 75 to get on it, 25 each way in a cab. So me and the other half have done 200 just going to sit on a beach. Bottle of water there 10 each. Was in a bar 2 nights ago where each beer was 35. Did brunch with the missus 2 weeks ago (our first here) and did 1,300 that day. You have to live here, not just rent some tiny non-tawtheek room and count your pennies earning shite, going nuts and becoming a pain to your colleagues. |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: re Jon and Gulezar |
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| dragonpiwo wrote: |
| The particular woman I'm thinking of had been in ESL. According to pals in other opcos, it isn't unusual to find ex EFL females in good positions at HQ and some who are even still teaching. |
And over the years, I've heard of a couple women being hired at Aramco. Very nice for that handful of women... BUT...
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If you don't work in the oil industry, don't comment on it.
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And perhaps if you don't work in normal EFL where 99+% of women teach, you shouldn't denigrate the pay and normal situation for them.
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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"There are females in the Human Talent HQs of oil companies, some of whom have very high positions."
"Hmm, somehow I missed the part where they are teaching EFL"
"f you don't work in the oil industry, don't comment on it. "
Has Dave died and left you in charge? When I want orders from you about what I can and can't comment on, I'll let you know. |
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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013
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Location: Berlin
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:06 pm Post subject: erm |
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| 14 k is an awful salary in the UAE. ADEC pays 21 plus housing , ADVETI at least 19, oil companies around the 30 mark. So talking a salary down is hardly denigrating anything. 14k is just a very low offer. Fact! |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Here's what Footprints is offering:
Salary: $3,300-$5,500 USD/month
Included Benefits: Accomodation in a private apartment (1 to 3 bedrooms, depending on family size), Return Airfare and Health insurance - both for you and your family,
Paid Vacation (2 months + national holidays), - all of these extras are covered by the employer as part of your contract.
And TeachAway (for licensed teachers_
Start Date: May 2016
Contract Length: 2 years
Eligible Candidates: Licensed Teacher
Student Level: Gr. 1, Gr. 2, Gr. 3, Gr. 4, Gr. 5, Gr. 6
Monthly Salary: USD 2500 - 3800
Accommodation: Support Finding Housing
Airfare Reimbursement: Full
Airfare Description: Yearly return flight is provided for the teacher.
Health Insurance Provided: Yes
Health insurance Description: National health insurance is provided.
Qualifications & Requirements
Required Certificates: Teaching Credential/License
Level of Education Required: Bachelor
Minimum Teaching Experience: 2 Years
Major: Bachelor of Education or relevant area plus a Post Grad in Primary Education
Additional Requirements:
Overseas experience is desirable.
Regards,
John |
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nomad soul
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Location: The real world
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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However, the OP isn't even a teacher. She/he has a PhD in School Psychology. Plus, that 14,000 AED is for a bilingual Arabic-English guidance counselor who holds a BA in academic counseling. No mention of an MA, PhD or degree in psychology. The OP was just curious about the pay.
Anyway, the position will likely be filled by an Emirati or resident expat already on a spouse visa. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Dear nomad,
Just thought I'd post a rough idea of what most teachers can/should expect over there in terms of salary/benefits.
Regards,
John |
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dragonpiwo
Joined: 04 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 4:07 am Post subject: erm |
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| I'm in the UAE. People have been PMing me and they are welcome to continue. |
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Gulezar
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: re Jon and Gulezar |
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| dragonpiwo wrote: |
| You have to live here, not just rent some tiny non-tawtheek room and count your pennies earning shite, going nuts and becoming a pain to your colleagues. |
I'm glad that you are not talking about me because:
I do live in Abu Dhabi
I do not rent some tiny non-tawtheek room
I don't count my pennies
I don't earn shite
I am not going nuts
I don't think that I'm a pain to my colleagues
If the job offer asks for a BA, most employers will only pay the salary for a BA. 14,000 AED is where I started at Zayed University, with similar benefits, and I could live all right on that. However, that was a few years back.
Abu Dhabi is expensive, but even though the OP will never have a chance at the big bucks of the oil field, at least she will be able to get into lady's nights at Coopers and free films at the Space for a while. I suppose that would be considered "counting ones pennies." Abu Dhabi has a lot to offer those who have a beer budget, but of course there are venues for champagne tastes, too. |
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izmigari
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If the job offer asks for a BA, most employers will only pay the salary for a BA. 14,000 AED is where I started at Zayed University, with similar benefits, and I could live all right on that. However, that was a few years back.
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When has ZU ever hired someone with "just" a BA?  |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 12:13 am Post subject: |
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I interpreted that he meant that he started at 14K... not that he only had a BA at the time. There was a time that a new MA with minimal experience would start at 14K.
VS |
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izmigari
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
I interpreted that he meant that he started at 14K... not that he only had a BA at the time. There was a time that a new MA with minimal experience would start at 14K.
VS |
Yeah, I thought about that, but a reread of his first sentence negated that. It would seem to indicate that, according to the thrust of the message, he was underpaid for his MA.
In any regard, AED 14,000 or not, the housing and education benefits that they offered back in the day took some of the sting out of the lower pay.
I think that ALL tertiary institutions raised the pay when salaries were realigned around 2005-6. |
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Gulezar
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 2:59 am Post subject: 14000 not so bad |
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| If the job offer asks for a BA, most employers will only pay the salary for a BA. 14,000 AED is where I started at Zayed University, with similar benefits, and I could live all right on that. However, that was a few years back. |
Sorry, for the confusion. Two points; I should have used two paragraphs:
If an employer is looking for a BA, they will pay the BA salary. You might get a bit higher on the range for the position with a PhD, but HR will have their guidelines which must be adhered to.
14,000 AED with supporting benefits is not too far off for many in education at this time. Many years ago, Zayed started at 14,000 and reduced the starting salary to 8,000 AED; but that was adjusted. I am not at Zayed now. I started with degrees and qualifications above a BA. However, my salary was based on the qualifications that Zayed wanted at the time. For instance, teacher qualification did not bump my salary. ZU only wanted a Masters or above. I would be surprised if anyone could start at Zayed with a BA.
Anyway, it's good to hear that dragon is safe for now. Many people that I've talked to are taking their contracts year to year, and keeping their eyes on the job boards. Stranger things than ADNOC layoffs will be coming down the tubes in the next few years. |
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izmigari
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| 14,000 AED with supporting benefits is not too far off for many in education at this time. |
If that's true and I suspect that it is, it's a sad state of affairs.
When I left (or was impolitely asked to leave), I was on 20,000 plus, provided flat...(where I could directly observe the comings and goings of the Great Tubby One)...fully-paid kiddie ed, return tickets, yadda, yadda, yadda.
It was fun (and profitable!) while it lasted.
The best part though, I have to add, is leaving the country with Tubby holding open the door with one hand and thrusting a wad of EOS cash (including the extra six-months of pay that the dummy had to fork over due to the fact that he couldn't figure out who was or wasn't contributing to the hate blogs that he had single-handedly inspired) at me whilst the missus, displaced child and I were leaving that comfortable sand pit on HIS dime! 
Ma'salama sucker!!! |
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dragonpiwo
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 1:28 am Post subject: Gulezar |
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'Safe for now' just about sums it up.
We get asked to design manuals (basically course books) all the time these days. The art of teaching English has been made incredibly complicated out here.
I reckon it'll all get centralized at some point and oil field teaching will disappear more or less. Of course, said institute will then hire highly qualified high school teachers who have no friggin idea about oil and gas, the forms operators write, the vocab they need, the special language and acronyms etc etc and then there's the content.
This place seems awash with educational consultants peddling nonsense. |
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