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Unusual Situation - ESL Teaching without US/UK/AU/etc Pass..
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexESL wrote:
I hope that at some point in the future the Arabs will see through their culture bias against online degrees and international jet-setters and hopefully open the door for me. From all the research I’ve done there isn’t a government requirement for any of that, it’s just the general consensus of the schools themselves.

For clarification, the governments of those Gulf countries reject degrees/credentials with online course credits. Your work visa application would automatically be denied.

By the way, what's the TEFL market like in Sweden?
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alexESL



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
alexESL wrote:
I hope that at some point in the future the Arabs will see through their culture bias against online degrees and international jet-setters and hopefully open the door for me. From all the research I’ve done there isn’t a government requirement for any of that, it’s just the general consensus of the schools themselves.

For clarification, the governments of those Gulf countries reject degrees/credentials with online course credits. Your work visa application would automatically be denied.

By the way, what's the TEFL market like in Sweden?


There isn't really an ESL market in the traditional sense. All the English-teaching schools here are run by the national government or various city-governments. And you technically have to be certified as a teacher in Sweden to teach.

BUT: There is such a lack of teachers (in all subjects) here that they are hiring people who are not qualified AT ALL to teach things like Swedish as a second language; so realistically if you were qualified to teach English (but didn't have a Swedish national teacher certification) I'm sure you could find something. It would be for a semester or for a school-year.

Look for things like:
Folkhögskola (Mostly teaching drop-out kids, skip this)
Komvux (Teaching adults, much preferable to the above)
Folkuniversitet
Some private schools (though not super popular for learning english since they are not free like all the rest, but they DO exist)
And possibly universities as well if you're truly qualified.
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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
Very Happy

That's more like it, a diversity of responses instead of the five or so negative ME-related posts above which repeat themselves in this thread and others (and should be in a sticky or in the ME forum).


That particular poster is known for posting again and again and again to the Japan Board about how even people with PhDs, Japanese language ability, publications and years of relevant experience can't get decent full-time jobs in Japan...but now this OP has a decent chance?

To the OP, you haven't started your MA, correct? A vanilla BA and a Swedish passport will get you bottom-feeder (200,000-220,000 yen/month) ALT/language school positions at best, and that with only the absolute worst (with regards to benefits/conditions) employers. Specifically, I am talking about employers like Interact and Gaba--places that have been sued repeatedly (and successfully) for their exploitative, often illegal working conditions. They would hire you...though why you would want to travel all the way to Japan to work such long hours for such low pay is beyond me. (And yes, it might be possible to move up from such a position after a couple of years in the country, but I wouldn't count on it.)

The completed MA would improve your chances somewhat, though keep in mind that the EFL market in Japan is saturated. Even people with an MA, "correct" passport, years of pertinent experience, refereed publications, and Japanese language ability still sometimes struggle initially to find good jobs. That said, if you do good work, are personable and interview well, you should eventually find something nice.

By the way, I'm assuming you're under 40--if you're older than that, age discrimination begins to come into play. Without at least a completed MA (PhD preferred), multiple years of tertiary experience, multiple refereed publications and at least some Japanese language ability, I would not consider moving to Japan after 40. Without these, you would not be competitive for the (500,000-700,000 yen/month) university positions, and most likely would never get a decent (280,000-300,000 yen/per month) language school or ALT position. (The latter tend to go only to people with extensive teaching experience in the country and local references/connections.)

Here are some recent, related threads from the Japan board:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=112777&start=0

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=113291

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=115057

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=114572

Good luck.
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alexESL



Joined: 14 Jul 2015
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taikibansei wrote:
Hod wrote:
Very Happy

That's more like it, a diversity of responses instead of the five or so negative ME-related posts above which repeat themselves in this thread and others (and should be in a sticky or in the ME forum).


That particular poster is known for posting again and again and again to the Japan Board about how even people with PhDs, Japanese language ability, publications and years of relevant experience can't get decent full-time jobs in Japan...but now this OP has a decent chance?

To the OP, you haven't started your MA, correct? A vanilla BA and a Swedish passport will get you bottom-feeder (200,000-220,000 yen/month) ALT/language school positions at best, and that with only the absolute worst (with regards to benefits/conditions) employers. Specifically, I am talking about employers like Interact and Gaba--places that have been sued repeatedly (and successfully) for their exploitative, often illegal working conditions. They would hire you...though why you would want to travel all the way to Japan to work such long hours for such low pay is beyond me. (And yes, it might be possible to move up from such a position after a couple of years in the country, but I wouldn't count on it.)

The completed MA would improve your chances somewhat, though keep in mind that the EFL market in Japan is saturated. Even people with an MA, "correct" passport, years of pertinent experience, refereed publications, and Japanese language ability still sometimes struggle initially to find good jobs. That said, if you do good work, are personable and interview well, you should eventually find something nice.

By the way, I'm assuming you're under 40--if you're older than that, age discrimination begins to come into play. Without at least a completed MA (PhD preferred), multiple years of tertiary experience, multiple refereed publications and at least some Japanese language ability, I would not consider moving to Japan after 40. Without these, you would not be competitive for the (500,000-700,000 yen/month) university positions, and most likely would never get a decent (280,000-300,000 yen/per month) language school or ALT position. (The latter tend to go only to people with extensive teaching experience in the country and local references/connections.)

Here are some recent, related threads from the Japan board:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=112777&start=0

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=113291

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=115057

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=114572

Good luck.


It would have s*cked to show up and have such high hopes and then be disappointed. I appreciate the honest outlook on my situation. I guess Europe is where its at for me.
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