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Whether to take the CELTA or TEFL?
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tellersquill



Joined: 08 Apr 2016
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
currentaffairs wrote:
Trinity still offers a Teaching Young Learners Extension Certificate (TYLEC):

http://www.trinitycollege.com/site/?id=3206


Looks like a decent three-week course. I haven't done it, but last year I did check out who offered the course. It didn't seem to be offered too often across Europe, and elsewhere prices varied a lot. The cheapest (and only intensive course in Europe in 2016) was the BC Kiev:

http://www.britishcouncil.org.ua/en/teach/teacher-development/courses-qualifications/tylec

If my calculations are right, this costs £250, which is a bargain. The BC Singapore had the same course for £1700!


It looks great but I cant do the course as my graduation ceremony is happening whilst the course is happening Sad
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an extension course, not an initial training course. You would need an initial training qualification first.
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tellersquill



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've taken a part in class and part online TEFL.

I couldn't afford the CELTA plus living costs in the end. I shopped around online and I couldn't find anything below a £1,400 so it was out of my price range.

The good news is that after a year or so of working (I'm currently a student) I will be able to afford to the CELTA or I may just jump straight to a PGCE.
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bj80



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were some other good answers here, but here is some insight I can add:

1. I was glad I did my CELTA. Some advised against it because they knew me (and 98% of others) would not want to teach ESL long-term; but, I think it's a great minimum standard of skills-based competency needed.

Of all the certificates, even faster and cheaper ones, CELTA is the best. It certifies competency with quality control. As you can guess, quality control is something lacking in most of the ESL world.

2. If you want to finance, and are a UK citizen, people speak about the Advanced Learner Loan: https://www.gov.uk/advanced-learner-loan/overview

I have no direct experience with it; so, I cannot tell. But, it might be worth something to save your cash money for more urgent matters.

3. If you chose to stay in the UK for the CELTA, try ISE Brighton. I know the teacher there is excellent.
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fluffytwo



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bj80 wrote:
Of all the certificates, even faster and cheaper ones, CELTA is the best. It certifies competency with quality control. As you can guess, quality control is something lacking in most of the ESL world.

How do you know? Have you taken them all, even the other "slow" and expensive ones? Not everyone has money to burn, especially nowadays.

Quote:
I think it's a great minimum standard of skills-based competency needed.

Minimum being the operative word, and quite possibly ranking only slightly above the otherwise "completely incompetent".


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Hod



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like one of those corn farms in deepest Iowa*, we're all ears.

Name an alternative to CELTA, please. Preferably with brevity.

*Like every responsible poster, I always quantify my words. I wouldn't, for example, advise someone to go teach in country X if I'd hardly or never been. Likewise, I've never been to Iowa.
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fluffytwo



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trinity, and SIT TESOL, though I suspect all these certs are a bit much of a muchness ultimately. Monkey see, monkey do, bananas all round, collective whoop.
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getbehindthemule



Joined: 15 Oct 2015
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,
If your plan is to get licensed and work at an international school in the future, why bother with the CELTA especially if money is a big concern (which it obviously is). Do your generic online TEFL course and go and enjoy yourself, gaining experience in the process. Then come back and knuckle down. I think many go with the intention of doing this though and never go through with it. It's probably a better idea to stay and get licensed first if this is an option?
For China anyway, the cert is only required for visa purposes (min 120hrs). I used i-to-i and I did actually find it useful with regard to thinking about various teaching strategies, classroom management, etc.
No matter what type of cert you have, it's irrelevant to how good/bad of a teacher you will be. I wish you luck in your adventure!
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SinaloaParcero



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the CELTA if money is not an issue and you plan to teach ESL for atleast 2 years.

Edit, just realized you plan to work in International Schools.

I take my previous advice back. Just get a 50 dollar 120 hr online TEFL (EnjoyTEFL is the one I did) and go to Vietnam for a year or two. Most jobs will still be open to you.
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simon44



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice maybe differs from what has been suggested in this forum.

You don't have a lot of money to play with, but you still need some relevant qualifications to help you land a teaching job in VN. You hope to teach in an international school in the future, so I assume that you prefer teaching young students, as opposed to university or adult students.

In VN, you can land a teaching job very easily, but to increase your chances of landing a well-paid position, I'd try to maximise the relevant qualifications that you can offer to potential employers.

My advice would be to take a TEFL course, and then also obtain some online CPD (Continuing Professional Development) certificates in pedagogy or teaching young learners. These are relatively cheap.

For example, you can study the Jolly Phonics training course http://jollyphonics.cpdcollege.com/ or a course in Early Childhood Education.

There are also a number of short courses offered by ACT https://www.asiancollegeofteachers.com/

Posters may scoff at these short course certificates and say that they are not worth the paper they are printed on. I'd respectfully disagree, having studied these courses myself. Not only did they give me a solid grounding in the subject of the course, they certainly helped me to land a good teaching job in Asia with a higher salary than other teachers who only had a TEFL to offer.
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