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[Communist Smurf]

[nawlinsgurl]

I'm also waiting for Osama to be found in a small hole in the ground as well. Or maybe those weapons of mass destruction....

But for the record, Jeb Bush is owned by his father, just like his brother, George Jr. Although I think Cheney shared partially ownership of them both while he was sitting in a hospital bed collecting a check on taxpayers over the past few years....

But on another note: Has anyone noticed that John Kerry looks like he could have been right along side Mister Rogers changing sweaters and shoes every afternoon?

[migo]

[justcolleen]

[Cleopatra]

". I have full confidence that the people in charge have reason. "

Gosh, that's nice. After all the torture photos from Abu Ghraib - as well as the dossier published this very day by the Brits released from Git Bay (not one of whom,after questioning, was charged by their own government) - all it takes is a word from Rummie to convince you. If these men are guilty, as you are assuming, in the absence of any unbiased information about them , why not follow due process of law and charge them?

"? I would realize you were correct and say, "Ok, Cleo, I'll release them. My intution isn't enough to detain them for any longer." Were you expecting me to say, "I don't possess all the classified information regarding this case and in the absense of this, as a citizen, need to demand they be released because I don't see enough cause to detain them." Just what were you expecting? "

I was expecting, believing you to be a citizen of a country which prides itself on upholding the rule of law and promoting "freedom", to be extremely concerned about how your government is holding hundreds of people indefinately and without regard to the most basic precepts of human rights. I am not saying all the men should be released, simply that they should be tried according to US and international law: if they are guilty, they should be sentenced accordingly, if not, they should then be released.

"The "guests" have it better now than they did before we detained them. "

This is just ridiculous. I suggest you read the accounts by former prisoners and those few human rights workers who have been allowed to visit Git Bay. Besides, even if what you said were correct - and it is not - it is not for the US to decide what is "better" for hundreds of prisoners. If it's so fabulous, why do they have to be locked in?!?

Anyway, I have reached the end of this discussion. Clearly, you simply want to believe what your President tells you to believe, including the Orwellian nonsense that those detained indefinately without trial can be termed "guests".

Good night.

[Communist Smurf]

[justcolleen]

Bush camp solicits race of Star staffer

http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/dailystar/32301.php

Obtaining Cheney Rally Ticket Requires Signing Bush Endorsement

http://www.abqjournal.com/elex/204620elex07-30-04.htm

[Stephen Jones]

We're not talking about a few bad soldiers, we are talking about a deliberate policy of threats, sleep-deprivation and sexual humilition, ordered by the camp commander at Guatanamo Bay who transferred to Abu Gharaib, and agreed to by Rumsfeld (and probably Bush).

The British appear to be just as bad, and in terms of deaths in custody (an extremely common phenomenum even in the UK) even worse than the Americans.

If a soldier is ordered to strip prisoners naked, leave them immobile for hours and threaten them with dogs, he doesn't have to stray too much further to take the kind of photos we've all seen.

[migo]

I wonder if they were getting tips from the Japanese on how to treat prisoners, or if it's just universal.

[kev7161]

CS

P.S. I win.

I was almost . . . almost going to read the posts and move on. Then, sadly, I see this. Coupled with calling me a "bonehead" earlier in the thread, I just had to comment.

Communist Smurf - are you in third grade or what? And if you are in third grade, your command of the English language is quite commendable. Although I agree with almost NOTHING in your posts, I fully applaud your abilities in being able to put your ideas down in such an orderly and well-reasoned (well-reasoned in your mind, at least) manner.

Nobody "wins" in a debate. You may be able to convince someone to change their minds on a certain point or two but, in general, most adults read the news stories, watch the television, talk with friends, and formulate their own opinions and ideas. Rarely can another individual come along and completely change their way of thinking. Michael Moore didn't change my way of thinking about Bush and his political lackeys. I already had my own opinions formed a while back. Moore just validated things I already knew or suspected I knew.

The most any of us can hope to do in a debate is to express our views, listen (politely?) to the other side's views. Bat it back and forth for awhile, shake hands at the end and "agree to disagree". The taunting and name-calling is really for children and those adults who may be a little spoiled or immature. I'm not saying you are childish or spoiled or immature (by the way, the ONLY way I can get to know your personality is by the posts you leave here as I doubt we'll ever meet in person), but just trying to give you something to think about next time you jot down a post.

[justcolleen]

Oh, Kevin. That's a three-point post. Bravo!

Colleen

[Communist Smurf]

[Communist Smurf]

[angstrom]

To change the subject, has anybody read Updike? More precisely, the Rabbit books? Very a propos, I must say. Seems that politics can only really be appreciated in hindsight. And Communist Smurf, I am in Moscow as well, and I must say, after 9 months of being here, I have to say, Russians rock! Their answer to everything is vodka, and to be honest, I think there'd be a lot less wars if people drank more of that transparent liquid.....

[angstrom]

oh, I almost forgot the most important thing, no lover of politics can go without this priceless item:

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