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willy · Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:41 pm Post subject:

EF and professional in the same Sentence, from what I have herd I can�t believe it.
i have tryed some of thoes schools now luck yet

TEAM_PAPUA · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1679 Location: HOLE

Willy, you are the king of the TYPO - I'm guessing that you're Bintang fueled when contributing to this forum Laughing

EF - Professional = Oxymoron in it's extreme definition.

Unless they mean 'Professional Profit Orientated Sausage Processing Plant' Cool

guru · Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 156 Location: Indonesia

I've worked at an EF school in the past and it was professional. The current academic coordinator is very well qualified and experienced. The previous AC was professional also. Just because the pay is a pittance, doesn't mean it's not professional.

Chester · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 383 Location: Australia

Guru.
how can you say an organization that pays shyte money is professional? I dont understand.
If you think its rewarding and you are being a samaritan of somekind, I say "when you see a cane.....I see a crock. When you see a crowd. I see a flock". Teachers who accept low pay are sheep. Teachers who want to be professional should have the bollocks to say no to low pay. Maybe then the English companies will start to be a little more professional in most respects and stop making excuses for the low salaries

guruengerish · Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 424 Location: Australia

This is pretty late to be getting into this discussion, but for the record, I worked for the lowest-paying EF school in Indonesia for a year.

The owner refused to consider an increase the whole time I was there on the basis that 'Yogyakarta is a cheap place to live". Most of us hardly got through the month after paying rent, power, phone.

But for all that, I felt that the great majority of the teachers there were very professional, and gave far more than the pay justified. If the owner had appreciated his valuable assests, they might still be there instead of opening up a rival school!

guru · Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 156 Location: Indonesia

Chester, Even though some places pay very low money it does not necessarily mean the teachers lack professionalism. That's what I am saying. The EF I worked at in the past didn't pay great wages but it taught the students well!

Chester · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 383 Location: Australia

ok. point accepted. is a shame training company owners treat staff like a commodity, not as assets. an asset helps the business to grow.
"employ big people (people with talent) and you will have a company of giants. employ small people (easy to control) and you will have a company of midgets". David Ogilvy

willy · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject:

ya right Chester thats the prob. i have
the last guy lefyt after 4 days

guru · Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 156 Location: Indonesia

It's now crunch time for recruiting teachers. The thing is that there still are opportunities. If you want a national plus school there are still a few jobs left for July start. If you want a language school job then there's stacks of jobs.

guru · Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 156 Location: Indonesia

http://fullproof.panoptes.net/job-centre/natplus.htm

this website has emails and some websites for some excellent schools...some of which are still actively seeking teachers!

Good luck.