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4nic8r
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Actually, I can't believe this topic comes up so often.. I mean really, do people really need to be told how to dress when they go to work at a school? 
What's next? I have to go to a wedding.. what do I wear? I'm going to a funeral.. are shorts and a tye-dye ok? Should I wear my high heels to go mountain climbing? Wear a Versace suit to work on the assembly line?
Going to work in shorts, a t shirt and sandals is wrong. Dress as the locals do: if they dress up, dress up. If they're casual, wear casual.
If going to school for 16 or so some odd years didn't give you an idea of what teachers wear, then really.. rethink about your doing. |
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Stephen Jones
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| If going to school for 16 or so some odd years didn't give you an idea of what teachers wear, then really.. rethink about your doing. |
Fashion class clashed with Spelling and Grammar did it? :)
On a more serious note it is nothing like as clear as you make out. You're probably teaching in a different culture, in a different society, and most likely in a different climate.
Even wearing what the locals do is not a fool-proof guide as they might have different expectations of how foreigners are supposed to dress.
As for a jacket and tie demanding respect, ask yourelf who is more likely to be wearing one; Bill Gates, Stephen Jobs or Stephen Spielberg, or the receptionist giving them their bill at the five-star hotel.
Ludwig is correct about dress being irrelevant at the best universities, although you do find immaculately-suited profs as well as those who get mistaken for the gardner, but then, if you've got tenure there, you don't need clothes of any variety to earn respect.
One rule incidentally. If you have long hair or a pony tail, or a bushy beard, consider dressing up to counter any unfavourable impression.
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Gowump
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Mr Jones:
If you are going to citicize another poster and his/her grammar, you should check your spelling. |
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stillnosheep
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I tend to wear knickers but only if they're not too dirty... |
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dmb
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| stillnosheep wrote: |
| I tend to wear knickers but only if they're not too dirty... |
What do you do if they are dirty? |
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4nic8r
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:33 am Post subject: |
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While I agree climate will dictate what one wears, my point was I think it is ridiculous at the age over over 20 to question what one should wear in the classroom.
As for your examples, Steven Spielberg would not go to the Oscars wearing shorts and sandals. Your examples are meaningless here, because they aren't in this profession, which is what the OP and the rest of the people were talking about.
And besides.. I think those guys get enough respect for the amount of money they've earned and what they've accomplished rather than what they are wearing!  |
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Ludwig
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| I find it interesting that many are made to actually wear shirts and ties in Mainland China. After all, even their Premier only wears a sports jacket. I recall a FT I bumped into in Shenzhen who complained to me - even though I was a complete stranger - that everyone was staring. I pointed out that it was not too overly surprising given that he was wearing a shirt and tie! |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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You don't get let into the Oscars unless you are wearing a dinner jacket.
Certainly it is rare to see anybody in the IT or media fields wearing a suit and tie, even to press conferences.
As Ludwig has pointed out, in many Asian countries wearing a tie would be the kiss of death for a politician that lives off Western bashing.
It is not at all clear as to what the relationship in say a small group at a language school is.
A trip round any secondary school or university in Sapin, France or Italy for example, would show no standard at all in dress code.
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| ridiculous at the age over over 20 to question what one should wear in the classroom |
At the age of twenty, one only ever questions other people's ideas. Normally by twenty-five or thirty one has got back into the habit of questioning one's own. |
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Sheep-Goats
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What did your tutors and instructors wear at your university (if you actually went to one)? Obviously, whatever they wanted!
It is the same at the two universities I work at here in HK. The only stipulation is that the clothes worn must be clean. Some professors even wear shorts and sandals.
It is how you teach that is of the utmost importance, not what you wear! (I would be very wary of any firm or organisation that imposed any (so-called) dress-code on its employees as it would make it obvious to me that they were trying to make mutton appear like lamb.) |
Put Thailand on that "firm or organization" list then. Every male faculty member at any Thai University (including the farang) wears a white long sleeved shirt, dark pants, dress shoes and a tie. Administration usually adds a jacket to that -- which perhaps contributs to how out of touch they are with anything at their schools, given that it's usually about 90 degrees out and around 90 percent humidity. |
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Laura C
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I don't think Peter Jackson wore a dinner jacket to the Oscars. Unless he took it off once he was past security, for he surely looked like a scruffy student when he accepted his gong.
He can get away with it though as he is such a genius.  |
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