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Furious George
back in the white man's house
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back with his kind- on the ranch
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bending over backwards in jail
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(on) 6 feet under
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ChinaEFLteacher



Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the reply, ex
there are some people who will judge a person on the country they're from, though. with those people, we americans have will have less respect due to bush. it's nice in china because the people care so little about politics, although at the inception of the iraq war i was constantly asked my opinion. of course i said, bu tong yi(don't agree), but i wonder what the reaction would have been if i'd said i agree. regardless, i agree, we're all fundamentally responsible for our own behaviour and should be judged as individuals first; but no one can be completely free from the actions of their govt.
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extoere



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:16 am    Post subject: Furious George Reply with quote

China, just so. And it so happens that I was indeed asked once in an Adult English class what my thoughts were of our war in Iraq. I asked very politely not to be confronted with this question. They pressed me. Several times I tried to beg off, telling them, "I can assure you that you don't want to hear what I'd have to say." Still, they pressed me. So I told them. Pissed some of them off. We stared each other down until I finally asked them to answer this question truthfully, if indeed they dared: "Just what do you think Beijing would do if it were attacked by Middle East terrorists?"

China Person, you're in a sometimes extremely uncomfortable, even untenable, place. But if it becomes too uncomfortable for you, you have something the Chinese can only envy: a foreign passport and the means and freedom to use it in plenty of other venues.

Very Best of luck to you!
ex
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: Furious George Reply with quote

extoere wrote:
Given
The cooperation of "other nations?" Just what other nations? We've been essentially going it alone for the past half-century, nurturing the public illusion that Europe is a cooperative force. Seth, that's a joke and you should know it by now. Since when has France ever viewed world events in a similar light as the U.S.? Well, I suppose when we and England liberated their asses from the Nazis. After that ....? The UN is a joke, an international shell game among three or four heavy players and hundreds of ragtag "nations" getting rakeoffs for their votes. International cooperation? Don't make me laugh. France is a very minor nation, whose cooperation isn't needed at all in the conduct of our own foreign policy. The poor French have never quite overcome their desire to be the dominant voice of Europe. Gone forever. The problems of Europe have only begun to surface. And the thinly-disguised Marist economic illusions sustained in Europe since WWII are under a massive assault by globalization that are on the brink of some radical change in both France and Germany.

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ex


saideth extoere!
Roger is of opinion:
You have been "going it alone" for the only fact that you wanted to. We - the world - never wanted to be your poor stooges, receiving orders from a cowboy superbully. What was your business invading Iraqq AND ASKING THE REST OF THE WORLD TO "HELP" YOU?
There. You weren't asked to do this job, and that's why no one in their right mind would be as insane as you and stand by your sides! Why can't Usakis see things the way the world sees them?
We don't owe Usakistan any assistance, full stop. You didn't save France from the Nazis - you helped the French and their allies to get rid of them. You were not the only Jingo-Lingo speakers at the Normandy beaches - there were Aussies, Newsis, South Africans, and even Asians!
France a "poor" country? Again, extoere, you are showing an incredibly biased arrogance and ignorance, and you are trying to pass that off as superb insights! France is by no means "poor", and it doesn't need Usaki material help to overcome its problems. It doesn't have a festering racial divide the way poor America has although it has a far higher proportion of immigrants than poor Usakistan does.
Living in a French village is like being God! All thenomic woes that plague your country haunt France in a reducec scale circa 1:10!

Why do Americans always decry the French aspirations for world domination? Yes, OF COURSE, the French are still nurturing dreams of sitting on the world's driver's seat! Do I detect some Freudian complex here of the P envy? Look - thousands of cultured ASmericans, yes: cultured, not those snobbish, boorish hordes of modern-day jetsetters! - elected their domicile in Paris for decades in the middle of last century; America simply doesn't have, and never had, such an attraction. It's only appeal is to those who want to strike it rich. But lots of people around the world want something else - and that cant' be found in materialistic, dumbed-down America!
Those Africans and Asians that lived under French domination had fewer complaints against their European overlords than they have against their own kings and other potentates, and they also have the same gripes about Americans as the French, and the rest of the world, have.
The more simpletons rant against the French, the less you can win in your crusade.
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ChinaEFLteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

reply to ex,
although it might be uncomfortable here, it's not much worse than the land we both call home.
you might want to check your facts, but bush and his cronies are not from the middle east, therefore why should we have started a war there? we need to be looking closer to home for the real criminals, much closer.
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