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[culfy]

[denise]

There are also TEFLers who treat other TEFLers like dirt, as we see so often on this forum.

There's more to professionalism than simply landing a good job. It's about attitude as well. Those teachers that are constantly bitter and angry about the state of this profession will likely end up in less-desirable jobs because they do not believe that anything better exists or is worth working towards.

Boy Wonder, I am truly sorry that you see things so bleakly, but please do not assume that all of us see things the same way.

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[Stephen Jones]

I'm afraid I tend to agree with Boy Wonder.

Denise reminds me of Lawrence's description of an optimist. "Somebody who paints the walls of his room blue and thinks he's in Heaven."

[Gordon]

Stephen, what exactly do you agree with? Do you think you have a loser job too?

I'm not surprised if someone sleeps around (or says they do) with anyone and everyone at work and then says their job is not a "proper" one. Any job where this is common place of course will not attract anyone with credentials or work ethic.

And what is so terrible about being an optimist? Shame on you Denise

[Boy Wonder]

I am neither an embittered former backpacker...nor somebody who treats other people like dirt.
Neither do i try to bed anything that comes my way....
They have to be female aged between 20-40 and good looking.

And why should I have respect for employers that continually lie....with-hold salaries.....provide accomodation not fit for students that you have to pay for and give you a timetable from early morning to late night each day.
I am as it happens a pretty dedicated teacher...and someone who tries to take my job seriously but at the end of the day i am a realist.

Serious TEFL employers account for maybe 10% of the market..if not less.

And as for this thread..student love.....well thats exactly what my present girlfriend was when i met her 4 yrs ago.
I didnt sleep with her then due to professional guilt and the age disparity.
Now she's adult and more i see no problem in our realtionship and neither does she.
if i met her now.....in a class...i would have no hesitation asking her out.
whether we sleep together would be entirely up to her.
if two people want to start a relationship and they are both adult it is their affair.
No job to me is more important than love or lust!

[mesmerod]

i would definately hook up with a hot student or teacher.

[denise]

OK, Mr. Jones. you called me an idiot in another thread and now... an OPTIMIST!!!!!!! How RUDE!!!

Are you quite finished insulting me now?

The trick then, Boy Wonder, is to go after that 10% bracket of decent jobs. Trust me, they are out there. And finding one should in no way interfere with your ability to meet members of the opposite sex. Students might become off-limits, but there are countless other places to look.

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[Roger]

[culfy]

[Boy Wonder]

Culfy..my professional integrity took a dive in 1998 when i was told by the school owner to rewrite approx 100+ student reports that weren't favourable enough.
It completely vanished without trace a year ago when my DOS overode a grade I had awarded to an adult student who was patently out of her depth( as you are).....on the basis that her husband demanded she be awarded grade A....I'd given her a C-.....!
I have professional integrity.......but not with regard to EFL......!
I'll save it for something more rewarding and useful to society.
Okay.

As for my romantic preferences.....what exactly is your point.
I am not a sexual monster...merely an active lover of the female form and feminity.....i think 20-40 is discerning enough.!

[Ben Round de Bloc]

[Twisting in the Wind]

[The G-stringed Avenger]

It's okay. 2 consenting adults, so what if she's your student? Yeah, there's issues of fairness but I personally can get past it and mark her on her merits.

From my perspective, I'm not a professional teacher (nor am I treated like one) and for me, this a temporary experience while travelling. That doesn't mean I don't try my utmost in the classroom, because I do. But I don't tie myself down with notions of ethics or professionalism because in a year or two, I'll be doing something else. In the meantime, I'll have fun with what I'm doing. And a job should be fun.

There are some who want to make TEFL their career and accept the career ethics etc. that come with it. Fine, that's your choice, I'm not going to judge you, it's a free world.

And yes, my girlfriend is a student. It's our business. At the end of the day, I think I do a fairly good job of teaching, and my private and work lives are quite balanced, so I don't see any problem.

[Will.]

I can resist anything but temptation. Oscar Wilde.

Me?

I don't,

Maybe you do

Can you resist it?

Teachers are not off limits.

A cute student male or female is cute

A come-hither look has no language barrier .

Is accepting an invitation taking advantage of students?

When opportunity presents itself do you nod acknowledgement?

Is it wrong to reciprocate and enjoy the sharing of mutual naughtiness?


Well?

Did you?

How did you feel later?

Is that why we are all telling each other how to behave..

Did we all get more than we expected from it?

I know I shouldn't have done that.

I wish I hadn't done it

Don't do what I did.

Do what I say

Will they tell?

Forget

It.

Hell! what has all this morality and self reproach got to do with my sex life???? I thought I left that back home in church.
Then you have to put up with the others telling you about their exploits.

[richtx1]

you're teaching junior high!

No it happens, but I'd have the teacher or student reassigned to a different class for the very simple reason that foreign language teaching is a business and the other customers will complain.