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[Nagoyaguy]

[moonraven]

nagoyaguy:

I would like you to explain what is precisely more dangerous about Islamic fundamentalism.

Can't you see that they are the same intolerant spewers of violence and hate?

You might want to consider the numbers of the victims, as one way of measuring danger.. I see christian fundamentalists way ahead of the game at this point. But it doesn't really matter who has killed 100,000 more. What matters is that they are both continuing to do it--and with folks like you fanning the flames, egging the destruction on.

How much time have YOU spent with Kim Il Jong?

How, precisely, would eliminating him make for less misery? Whose misery are you talking about?

Saying that he is a cancer seems ill-advised. Cancers spread their malignant cells around an organism. I don't see North Korea starting wars around the planet, but I do see the Geroge W. Bush government doing that. Bush and his gang are way ahead in spreading malignancy, if one considers our planet as an organism--which I do.

Cancer is even Bush's astrological sign! (Sure, it was a cheap shot--but even I should get to grab one of those once in a while--especially since you live off of them.)

[Nagoyaguy]

Moon, can you tell me all the places in the world where Christian radicals are blowing up buildings, murdering people by the hundred, and beheading the innocent?

Here are some Islamic conflicts in the world:

Afghanistan
Bangladesh
East Timor
Indonesia
India
Pakistan
Kyrgiz Republic
Uzbhekistan
Phillippines
Algeria
Iraq
Nigeria
Sudan
Saudi Arabia


As for Kim Jong Il, I havent spent time with him. Never met the man. Does that deny me the right to criticize him? By that standard, you must have spent months in the company of president Bush.....

Why should Kim die and his regime be destroyed?

1/ He has starved to death about 10% of his country- up to 3 million people. That gives him 3rd place on the list for starving deaths, next to Mao and Stalin.

2/ possession of plutonium and enrichment facilities.

3/development of long range ballistic missiles.

4/ 200,000 prisoners in gulags and concentration camps. Thousands die each year from malnutrition, abuse, gruesome medical experiments, bio and chem weapons testing, torture, and so on.


you may want to read this website;

http://www.chosunjournal.com/

[moonraven]

The Bush Gang are Christian radicals. How many buildings have they blown up in Iraq? Start counting, but I won't be able to wait until you finish, as I will be dead by then. Start counting the women and children they have murdered in Iraq. That will keep you very busy, too.

As for Kim Il Jong--I don't like the idea of North Korea--or any other country having nuclear weapons--especially the US, where there's a loco with his middle finger on the red button. Check out the new bombs they are developing in Los Alamos....

[ls650]

[Nagoyaguy]

[moonraven]

Boy, are you bereft of historical knowledge! Ever heard of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Maybe not, as you weren't alive when they were wiped off the map. And you are the measure of the universe.

You could do some reading, though--before shooting yourself in the foot with historical gaffes.

The "head" (notice that I didn't say "brains") of the Bush Gang, George W. is a fundamentalist Christian. He's the one declaring war on other countries--whether he can find them on a map or not. Therefore he is the fundamentalist christian with the blood on his hands. And it's not rhetorical blood.

I see--no buildings have been blown up in Iraq, and no Iraquis killed; because in your mind the war was unnecessary, those buildings are still standing and the men, women and children didn't really die? What kind of screwy doublespeak is that? Do you ever READ the ridiculous things that you write?

But you are right--most of the killing in Iraq is being done by terrorists--and they are wearing US military uniforms.

BTW, I didn't say I didn't like Kim--I have no personal knowledge of him, and no opinion whatsoever. Even if I didn't like him, I would not consider it my business to interfere in North Korea's affairs. It is a sovereign country.

[Nagoyaguy]

Moon, you are the master of the straw man attack.

Did I ever say that the US had never used atomic weapons? No. If I did, please quote me. What I said was that the US had showed restraint. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were brutal but necessary IMHO. But, that's another debate if you want to have a go about it. Please do NOT put words in my mouth. I am fully able to make myself look foolish without the help of a master.

[ChinaMovieMagic]

Nagoyaguy asked for specific INFO on the radical Christian right and the Bush gang. See BELOW.

(As an auto-info disclosure, I want to emphasize that by posting BELOW, it is NOT my intention to disparage Christianity/Jesus the Christ/Allah/God-the-Father/Cosmic Intelligence/the Tao/etc.

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/10/27/scherer-christian/index.html

>>We are not talking about a handful of fringe lawmakers who hold or are beholden to these beliefs. The 231 legislators (all but five of them Republicans) who received an average 80 percent approval rating or higher from the leading religious-right organizations make up more than 40 percent of the U.S. Congress. (The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian Coalition was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who earlier this year quoted from the Book of Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, sayeth the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land. Not a famine of bread or of thirst for water, but of hearing the word of the Lord!") These politicians include some of the most powerful figures in the U.S. government, as well as key environmental decision makers:
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), Senate Majority Whip Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Senate Republican Conference Chair Rick Santorum (R-Penn.), Senate Republican Policy Chair Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, and quite possibly President Bush. (Earlier this month, a cover story by Ron Suskind in The New York Times Magazine described how Bush's faith-based governance has led to, among other things, a disastrous "crusade" in the Middle East and has laid the groundwork for "a battle between modernists and fundamentalists, pragmatists and true believers, reason and religion.")

And those politicians are just the powerful tip of the iceberg. A 2002 Time/CNN poll found that 59 percent of Americans believe that the prophecies found in the Book of Revelation are going to come true. Nearly one-quarter think the Bible predicted the 9/11 attacks.

Like it or not, faith in the Apocalypse is a powerful driving force in modern American politics. In the 2000 election, the Christian right cast at least 15 million votes, or about 30 percent of those that propelled Bush into the presidency. And there's no doubt that arch-conservative Christians will be just as crucial in the coming election: GOP political strategist Karl Rove hopes to mobilize 20 million fundamentalist voters to help sweep Bush back into office on Nov. 2 and to maintain a Republican majority in Congress, says Joan Bokaer, director of Theocracy Watch, a project of the Center for Religion, Ethics, and Social Policy at Cornell University.

Because of its power as a voting bloc, the Christian right has the ear, if not the souls, of much of the nation's leadership. Some of those leaders are End-Time believers themselves. Others are not. Either way, their votes are heavily swayed by an electoral base that accepts the Bible as literal truth and eagerly awaits the looming Apocalypse. And that, in turn, is sobering news for those who hope for the protection of the earth, not its destruction.

[laodeng]

Cathay Cinema Conjurer: Congratulations on metastasizing to the General Discussion forum. But there are still worlds left to conquer.

[ChinaMovieMagic]

http://www.celestinevision.com/in_body.html
[quote
#4 The Struggle For Power
Too often humans cut themselves off from the greater source of this energy and so feel weak and insecure. To gain energy we tend to manipulate or force others to give us attention and thus energy. When we successfully dominate others in this way, we feel more powerful, but they are left weakened and often fight back. Competition for scarce, human energy is the cause of all conflict between people.

#5 The Message Of The Mystics
Insecurity and violence ends when we experience an inner connection with divine energy within, a connection described by mystics of all traditions. A sense of lightness - buoyancy - along with the constant sensation of love are measures of this connection. If these measures are present, the connection is real. If not, it is only pretended.

#6 Clearing The Past
The more we stay connected, the more we are acutely aware of those times when we lose connection, usually when we are under stress. In these times, we can see our own particular way of stealing energy from others. Once our manipulations are brought to personal awareness, our connection becomes more constant and we can discover our own growth path in life, and our spiritual mission - the personal way we can contribute to the world.

#7 Engaging The Flow
Knowing our personal mission further enhances the flow of mysterious coincidences as we are guided toward our destinies. First we have a question; then dreams, daydreams, and intuitions lead us towards the answers, which usually are synchronistically provided by the wisdom of another human being.

[/quote]

[moonraven]

nagoyaguy: You are apparently incapable of reading, nor even quoting what I write correctly.

It DOES say a lot about me that I don't form opinions about folks of whom I have no direct knowledge. That's one of the differences between you and me. You bite for every bit of right wing propaganda that comes your way (if George W. told you that your mother was the most savage dictator on the planet, you would believe him and start advocating her "removal". You have dangerous habits. That you are not alone in that doesn't excuse your behavior.

And you are right: You are more than capable of making yourself look foolish without any help from me. Go for it.

[AsiaTraveller]

Bush as Christian fundamentalist (aka Head of the Christian Taliban):

During the 2000 presidential campaign George Bush stated, �I feel that God wants me to run for President. I can�t explain it; � I know it won�t be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.� During one debate, Bush stated that: �Christ� was his favorite� philosopher.� He went on to inform the American public that Christ had �changed my heart�When you turn your heart and your life over to Christ, when you accept Christ as Savior, it changes the heart and changes your life.�

Can a Jew Go to Heaven? George W. Bush Answered "No" in 1994
Until Bush backed off this position after Billy Graham told him it was a decision for God, not governors, it was unsettling news for Jews, Muslims, and believers in any faiths other than the Christian � perhaps even for backsliding Christians.

Bush joked to reporters about his '94 answer prior to a trip to the Middle East. According to stories in the Austin American-Statesman, he told reporters that he planned to stop in Israel and tell the Jews they were all going to hell.

An exchange of messages between Bush and the Jewish Anti-Defamation League followed. While no one has accused Bush of anti-Semitism, there have been comments about his insensitivity, both toward the Jews and his own family. A Jewish reporter said Bush's remarks were quite upsetting to his son. No one in the Bush family has commented, but there's little doubt that Bush has touched a sore spot in family history.

According to a story in the Albian Monitor,"Prescott Bush, the father of the former President and the grandfather of the current candidate, spent more than a decade helping his father-in-law George Herbert Walker finance Adolf Hitler from the Wall Street bank, Union Banking Corporation.

[runabout]

Asiatraveller,

If you can back this up with citations you should most definitely write a short paper on it and send it to the major news orgs -- esp. those outside the US.

W's crack about the Jews doesn't surprise me since by definition if you are a believer in Christ all others are losers (including the majority of those who believe in Christ -- though the exact percentage changes with the sect the Christian follows)

What would make breaking news, to me, would be that his family helped the Nazis. I gotta believe there's a law suit if this is true (remember the suit against BMW and Volkswagon a few years ago -- can you imagine the investigation of a sitting president, hee hee).

To all: this thread is very interesting indeed. Keep it up.

Runabout

[ChinaMovieMagic]

Re:"the Others go to Hell..."

The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University
of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so
"profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the
Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of
enjoying it as well.


Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic
absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs
using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is
compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So
we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the
rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume
that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls
are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different
religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions
state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to
Hell.
Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do
not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls
go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect
the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same,爐he volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls
enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase
until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls
in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell
freezes over. So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman
year that, " it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,
and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then
number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it
follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore,
extinct...leaving only Heaven thereby proving the existence of a
divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting "Oh
my God."

THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A"