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amandabarrick



Joined: 30 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Again, not every Bank of China has the helpful, knowledgable, Fluent English Speaking staff that your Branch does.

Norman, as a matter of fact, the clerk that helped me at the Bank of China spoke Mandarin to me, not English. She may speak English very well, but I wouldn't know.
I don't know how to make the description of what I did any more clear. Whether it was a 1 or 2 step transaction is irrelevant. The point is that I was able to send (wire) money using WESTERN UNION to myself once I arrived in the states. If the Bank of China converted the RMB to U.S. Dollars for me before they wired it via WESTERN UNION, great! But they did it without any hassle.

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Norman above has noted that you in fact converted your RMB to US$ at the BoC, no doubt providing all the necessary paperwork at the same time too.

The only necessary paperwork that I provided at the time was the completed Western Union form (which is in Chinese) and my passport.

As far as the exchange rate goes, I believe at the time the exchange rate from RMB to U.S. Dollars was .12, the exchange rate from U.S. Dollars to RMB was 8.2-8.3. If you want specifics, I used 20,000 RMB (not including the transaction fee). When I recieved the money in the States the amount was approximately 2400 U.S. dollars. They did not ask to see a copy of my contract or any other paperwork, documents, etc...
I feel you are making this more complicated then it actually was. Maybe some of you have experiences far different from mine and that is fine. I can only tell you what has worked for me.
AB
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millie



Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Location: HK

PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello AB,

I don’t think that anyone is trying to make anything more complicated than it really need be. However, the information that you had provided was somewhat contradictory and confusing as it unfolded.

It seems the new RMB20,000 limit regulation may have in come into effect in this case; good that it was uncomplicated for you and certainly worthwhile to be aware of this.

(It seems the rate you got is about 8.333 (minus bank costs too); not so wonderful given the grey market in Shanghai is 8.30 or less.)

Regards you enquiry on rates Travellers Cheques versus cash on the China (Off-Topic) thread, you get a much better rate on T/C than cash: viz US$1 =8.2641 T/C versus 8.2144 cash.

BoC China rates are centrally set and are the same all over China no matter where you are.

Generally speaking however, I think everyone avoids changing large amounts an airport as common sense because in most countries you will get gouged!

Happy travels.
M
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yamahuh



Joined: 23 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a money belt, put as much into your wallet as you can get in while still being able to sit comfortably; after all that's a thick stack. Put the rest into your money belt and try to look non-chalant...

I e-mailed the Royal Bank of Canada directly about this some time ago and was told that there is no limit to the amount of RMB that they will exchange. The only 'problem' is that because it isn't a commonly requested exchange there would be a waiting period of a couple of days before I could receive my Canajun loonies.

Dear Laughing

We have received your question regarding if it is possible to cash Chinese Renminbi into Canadian dollars when you return to Canada. Thank you for this opportunity to address your inquiry.

Yes, you are able to cash Chinese Renminbi into Canadian dollars. As this is not a currency that is commonly handled, it is done on a collection basis and the process can take up to 5 business days before the amount is credited to your account.

Thank you for your message, Mr. Twisted Evil We apologize for any inconvenience our delay in responding to your message may have caused. Please do not hesitate to contact us again through this message centre if we may be of further assistance.


I just e-mailed them again to see what kind of service fees are associated with a transaction of this type and will post the response when I receive it.

Oh and I'm sure you're aware of this but 20,000 RMB changed at 8.3 per USD is $2409.63 US. 20,000 changed at 8.0 per USD is $2500 US.
Are you folks THAT worried about $90.37?
A slight fluctuation in exchange rates is barely even worth mentioning let alone worrying about.
Of course that's just my 2 cents worth Wink
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millie



Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamahuh wrote:
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Are you folks THAT worried about $90.37?
A slight fluctuation in exchange rates is barely even worth mentioning let alone worrying about.

Unless you have a crystal ball you can’t do much about the way exchange rates fluctuate over time.
However, why change at a lesser rate when the option of extra money and less hassle is available to you on the grey market?
If as you suggest, you carry the money on your person rather than use a bank to transfer it, you can avoid bank charges too – often 1%.
It all adds up and of course exactly how much depends on the total amount you are changing.

Don’t care about $90? Ok, toss it my way.
Thank you Smile
M
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Norman Bethune



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not everyone is blessed with Amandabarricks brilliance in speaking Mandarin fluently so those ever so helpful clerks at the Bank of China wll understand.

Sure, she had a painless experience when doing what in reality is almost impossible to do in China...send RMB directly out of the Country using western Union.

How she did it, when so many of us can't, who knows? But this is China, where things happen and Laowai don't always know the reason why.



Now, let's settle this issue for once and for all.

If it is possible to do as AmandaBarrick claimed she did (hand over 20.000 RMB to Western Union, and wire it to be recieved in the US to be converted there)....
where can we find an OFFICIAL SOURCE TO CONFIRM IT?

Someone please cite a Website where this information is PUBLISHED.

Please Cite the relevant Official Chinese Government Regulations for the benefit of the rest of us.


And for those cunning linguists here who Speak and read Chinese better than the rest of us, that information shouldn't be too hard to find and translate for dullards like me who just have a workaday knowlege of the language.

If something good happens once in China, it's a mistake. If it happens twice, it's because of your connections. If it happens three times it's corruption. If it happens four times it's government policy.
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

millie wrote:

(It seems the rate you got is about 8.333 (minus bank costs too); not so wonderful given the grey market in Shanghai is 8.30 or less.)


The difference between these two conversion rates is a whopping $9.60.

You're right Millie that's not so wonderful, how could she have been so naive? AB could have really optimised her funds much more effectively and lucratively. Perhaps she could have set herself up with some RRSP's or blue chip stocks with the extra coin

I'm willing to bet that the rate AB apparently received was not quoted on the same day that you could get that 'wonderful' rate of 8.30 or less from your 'grey market' in Shanghai.
Wow, is it possible that AB may have got a good rate?
Perhaps she even did better than you may have done on the same day Shocked

Sheesh...
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millie



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, yamahuh I was a little perplexed as to why you mentioned the figure of initial $90.37.

But lets not let the figures get in the way of a good argument, eh?

Yep, less than $10 bucks as you note plus the service charge of at least one percent makes it about $35 or so I think.

As well almost every bank transaction of this sort attracts a service charge and that’s your cash again.

However you can do with it what you will and again, if you don’t want it, I will happily accept it.

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I'm willing to bet that the rate AB apparently received was not quoted on the same day that you could get that 'wonderful' rate of 8.30 or less from your 'grey market' in Shanghai
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Well, I am willing to bet a whopping $9.60 that what you are suggesting is totally irrelevant to the equation.

The official exchange rate of the RMB is pegged to the US$ and has not moved for quite some years.

Sheesh... Shocked

Anyway, I think Norman’s question above is probably more central.
Over and out.
M
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amandabarrick



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it is possible to do as AmandaBarrick claimed she did (hand over 20.000 RMB to Western Union, and wire it to be recieved in the US to be converted there)....
where can we find an OFFICIAL SOURCE TO CONFIRM IT?

Someone please cite a Website where this information is PUBLISHED.

Please Cite the relevant Official Chinese Government Regulations for the benefit of the rest of us.

http://www.westernunion.com/info/intlCountryInfoIndex.asp?country=CN

According to this, money transfers may only be 'sent' using U.S. Dollars. In addition, the only places to go are the 'Agricultural' Bank of China and the China Post. It says you may need the MTCN number when picking up the money, but I don't remember giving my U.S. Bank one.
The important thing is that you are able to hand over 20,000 RMB to Western Union, the Agricultural Bank of China then converts it to U.S. Dollars for you, and wires the money to be recieved in the U.S. For me this was a quick and easy process, I didn't know if they were converting the money to U.S. Dollars here in China or when I recieved it in the U.S. Nor did it matter! The key is that apperently (at least for me) when converting RMB to U.S. Dollars if it is immediatly being wired via Western Union doesn't require any documents, paperwork, etc... Other then the 'Send Money Form' and your I.D. (passport). If anyone can cite the information that proves me wrong, that converting RMB to U.S. to be wired via Western Union requires miles of paperwork, documents, copies of contracts, letters or reference, your first born child, etc.. please post it. But until that magical information is found, just take me word for it.
AB
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Norman Bethune



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amandabarrick wrote:
You don't need to change money before entering their office, just send a moneygram with RMB. Yes, you can send RMB on a moneygram. No, you don't actually mail anything so their is no leaf of pages of a book involved. You can go to most any Bank of China and send an RMB western Union moneygram in any amount, just fill in the form. Once you arrive in the states, you can go to your bank and recieve the moneygram in the exact amount you sent when in China. For example, if you send a moneygram of 20,000 RMB western union, you will recieve in the states the U.S. dollar amount equal to 20,000 RMB. The reason I say to change as much possible before leaving China is that there is a fee for the moneygram, the more the amount of the moneygram the higher the fee. It is also safer than taking 20,000 RMB cash with you on the plane and changing it in the states.
AB


This is AmandaBarrick's post on the subject of sending RMB via Western Union to the US.

I have highlighted important passages.

Decide for yourself if what she said in her original post bears any similarity to what she is now saying.
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chinaboytian



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:46 am    Post subject: Changing Money Reply with quote

Go to Bank of China only, which is the only official changing bank and has the best rates, as well as offers US dollar travelers checks.

Never change money on the streets, as you will be swindled or they will simply up and run away with your money.

Unless you know a CHinese friend who can change the renminbi into U.S. dollars for you at a better rate than Bank of China.

I taught in China for three years. The first visit to the bank is a pain. They make you wait and they have three employees count the money before they hand it over.
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Sgt Killjoy



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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: bahala Reply with quote

I don't care about western union. My wife and I are looking at going to China. We have a dollar account in the Philippines and lo and behold the bank has a remittance center in China. We can give them money and they put it directly into our account in the Philippines. Total time of transfer is seconds. Better to just find a Filipino and find out how they transfer money, they have it down to an artform.
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william wallace



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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing to say.
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