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ChinaMovieMagic



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Therefore the Sage relies on actionless activity,
Carries on wordless teaching,
But the myriad creatures
are worked upon by him;
he does not disown them.
He rears them,
but does not lay claim to them...
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Talkdoc



Joined: 03 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaMovieMagic wrote:
Therefore the Sage relies on actionless activity,
Carries on wordless teaching,
But the myriad creatures
are worked upon by him;
he does not disown them.
He rears them,
but does not lay claim to them...


CMM, what exactly is this in response to: the original topic or the recent comments that have been made regarding the manner in which you post? I truly have no idea because you chose not to be explicit.

Either way, what point are you making by posting this unreferenced and partial quote? I consider myself to be an intelligent and educated man but I have no clear idea as you what this quote means to you or what you intended by citing it out of any defined context. I have a few guesses as to what you intended (which may or may not be correct) but why make the reader guess, especially if your ulterior motive is to educate (as I believe you have suggested in the past)?

ChinaMovieMagic in his footnote wrote:
Knowledge is actively constructed by the learner, not passively received from the environment � Piaget


I have studied Piaget's work extensively and I can assure you that at no time did he ever mean (by this) that the knowledge the educator intends to impart to the learner should be vague, or far worse, completely concealed.

And by the way, when citing someone else�s work, you have an academic responsibility to cite the complete reference to the original source (which, I finally discovered is drawn from the Dao De Jing � The Way and Its Power.)

You have submitted almost 1,000 posts on this forum in less than six months and many (maybe most) of us, do not have any clear idea as to what it is you are trying to communicate (and that's among those of us who actually have the strength and patience to muddle through your submissions). What is the point exactly? I think you have something of value to say and I would love to learn from you; consequently, I would appreciate it if you could be explicit about what it is you are intending to impart. I may not agree with you, but at least I'd be in the position of knowing it. I have never been very good at guessing games.

Doc
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ChinaMovieMagic



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"From error to error, one discovers the entire truth." Sigmund Freud.
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william wallace



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing to say.

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Talkdoc



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaMovieMagic wrote:
Quote:
"From error to error, one discovers the entire truth." Sigmund Freud.


Well, I can't speak for anyone else but this response certainly clears everything up for me.

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ChinaMovieMagic



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TalkDoc wrote:
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I have never been very good at guessing games.
Rolling Eyes

Stan Brakhage saw:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,3604,914589,00.html

<Those who consider cinema a narrative art form, and believe that films should have a beginning, a middle and an end - in that order - will have problems with the work of Stan Brakhage, who has died aged 70. His films were difficult also for those not willing to shed the conventionalised illusion, imposed by rules of perspective, compositional logic and "lenses grounded to achieve 19th-century compositional perspective".

For Brakhage, the goal of cinema was the liberation of the eye itself, the creation of an act of seeing, previously unimagined and undefined by conventions of representation, an eye as natural and unprejudiced as that of a cat, a bee or an infant. There were few filmmakers - film director is too limiting a description - who went so far to train audiences to see differently.>

Im my Movie Magic classes, I train students to see...by asking Socratic questions about the movie segments. The key is to embed the visual memory 1st, and then to link the visual with the verbal...in the spirit of Community Language Learning, www.ialearn.org, www.winwenger.com etc.
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Developing the ZPD is part of the Art of Teaching.

Learning through video-based narratives within the cultural Zone of Proximal Development. (Instructional media initiatives: focusing on the educational resources center at Thirteen/WNET, New York, New York).

International Journal of Instructional Media; January 01, 2002; Hung, David Wei Loong
In this paper, we examine instructional tools along the Vygotskian perspective of Zone of Proximal Development (or ZPD). Basically the ZPD is the instructional zone where under guidance a learner is able to do some task which he or she would not be able to do independently.

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Many of us Forum-ers are familiar w/this process in our students. The art of teaching is to re-activate the memory in our un-curious students.

Harnishfeger, K.K. & Pope, R.S. 1996. Intending to Forget: The Development of Cognitive Inhibition in Directed Forgetting. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology, 62, 292-315.
Finding: Intentional forgetting is a learned skill, which children acquire gradually, and which is not fully acquired by age 10.
Although we tend to decry forgetting, and regard it as a failure of memory, forgetting is an important ability. Not everything is worth remembering.
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A new study counters current thinking that visual memory is generally poor and that people quickly forget the details of what they have seen. It appears that even with very limited visual exposure to a scene, people are able to build up strong visual memories and, in fact, their recall of objects in the scene improved with each exposure. It is suggested these images aren't stored in short-term or long-term memory, but in medium-term memory, which lasts for a few minutes and appears to be specific to visual information as opposed to verbal or semantic information. "Medium-term memory depends on the visual context of the scene, such as the background, furniture and walls, which seems to be key in the ability to keep in mind the location and identity of objects. These disposable accumulated visual memories can be recalled in a few minutes if faced with that scene again, but are discarded in a day or two if the scene is not viewed again so they don't take up valuable memory space."
The study was published in the July 26 issue of the journal Nature. Full reference
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2001-07/rtsu-rrf072501.php
http://unisci.com/stories/20013/0726014.htm
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