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[Volodiya]

Talkdoc, that's more credit than I'd have ever given him, frankly. This last post from CMM was the first one I've seen where I thought there was even a light on, upstairs.

His dumping text on us, as he usually does, in spite of, and over the loud protest of countless posters, suggests someone who doesn't care whether he's influencing- he's just amusing himself in a way that wouldn't be amusing to most people, knowing we won't be reading.

Maybe the distinction is your more sophisticated understanding of his possible motive, where all I can see his ineffective execution, whatever the motive.

[Zero Hero]

[Talkdoc]

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[ChinaMovieMagic]

Clearly stated at the end of my post is a socio-political-spiritual critique of fundamentalism:

[millie]

Hello CMM,

I understand your concerns with Christian proselytisers most especially in China where such activities are illegal and where often this is comes deceitfully wrapped in another package, for example English teaching or charity.
Nonetheless, it might be best to survey the situation a little more carefully first.

mignonettemanda wrote:

[Talkdoc]

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[vivalgos]

THANKYOU so much, CMM,for using BOLD text throughout your posts. I am well warned to fast forward.
You are so boring!!

[ChinaMovieMagic]

RE:
Ideas/Belief Systems/Paradigms

[mignonettemanda]

people... my concerns were about TEACHING ENGLISH, not really CHINA itself. and the fact is i know China much more than you guys think i do... personally dont consider myself 'an unsuspecting american soul'. i spent 2 weeks in qingyuan, china, last summer with some highschool students, so i DO KNOW about the preaching regulations and govt officials and so on. my grandparents lived in GZ and i visited them every summer. i've even spent a few yrs living in Hong Kong actually... so my concerns are about teaching english, not really whether world vision is an organization worth working for or volunteerism or what kinda country china really is. thanks.

[mignonettemanda]

[ChinaMovieMagic]

M, Thanks for that. Yes...many of us lead uncomplicated (lonely) lives as FTs in China, so this Forum serves many (dys)functions for us...so our threads often get complicated.

I just sent you a PM and then saw your Post. Again...no need to feel any need to answer...but I'm sincerely curious. You wrote:

[mignonettemanda]

[ChinaMovieMagic]

[Roger]

i hope the OP has not been discouraged from coming to China. Clearly, she knows China, having done a stint in Qingyuan and living in Hong Kong for a while. I also feel she doesn't need TalkDoc's magisterial guidance. She needfs advice, suggestions and opinions from TEACHERS, not a shrink's couch.

As a volunteer she will probably be immune from infectious euphoria.She will be doing a job that doesn't require a professional, and this will give her valuable insights into how the Chinese English teaching works and fails. She will have to stand her ground when her charges treat her as a Chinese.
I know someone else who is right now volunteering in China, at his own expense. People like this make an educated decision about whether they want to make a living in China earning their bread as English teachers; their experience may form the basis for accepting a genuine job offer, or to reject it. we who are on the payroll of an employer would rather not rock the boat, or bite the hand that feeds us.

I have nothing against Born Again Christians or any other cults, but I do despise some who accept a teaching position and work underground at proselytising the "heathens". there are far more of those than is generally accepted; I despise them not for their religious zeal but for the duplicitousness they invariably have to adopt in order to do their lord's work!

[Talkdoc]

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