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Brian Caulfield · Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 1247 Location: China

This has always been a non issue for me . You can't cheat a good teacher because they know their But it weighs heavy with the Chinese students . The classes are too large here so it is easy for them . A good teacher knows their students . The first job you have is to find their levels . You must test your students before you start doing anything . Most teachers and schools skip this but it will make lesson planning much easier . If you have many levels in a large class you must make three lesson plans and give the students work they can handle
Don't forget you are teaching an art not a science. Don't worry about cheating . If they cheat and learn something then all is well . I recommend you direct them to business or politics where their skills will be appreciated .

jeffinflorida · Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:08 am Post subject:

I caught many cheaters on the Final and Midterm exams. I failed them in the subject. The University did not do anything to the cheaters and did not want to deal with the issue. In fact during the final the FTs were so strict about cheating that we strategised on our own to catch the cheaters but observing from many angles. the students complained about us and the university told us not to watch them so carefully as we were "distracting" them during the exam.

The university also provided Chinese teachers to observe. They were totally useless. many fell asleep during the exam (it was a 1pm exam - sleeping time for them) and did nothing to stop cheating. One room had two Chinese teachers - i walked in and watched from the rear of the room 0 one girl - a senior student - had notes under her chair and was copying. the Chinese teacher walk by her, looked at the notes, then at her, and walked away. I saw this walked over to the students, took her notes and told her she was ucky I was in a good mood that day and didn't fail her for the course.

During the midterm I caught two boy students passing a dictionary and looked inside - there were answers hand written inside. I failed the two cheaters for the whole course - the university changed my fail grade to a pass for the course.

The senior class had to turn in a case analysis and a marketing plan for Marketing management that I teach. The papers were so bad and most were copied from one another or the Internet that I was disgusted. I could not grade them or I would have to fail 99% of the papers. Instead I just changed it to a pass/fail grade.

it's hard to care about cheating - they ALL do it.

Chris_Crossley · Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: "No cheating allowed here!"

Roger · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138

Impersonating is pretty common though I haven't come across one yet (maybe I didn't notcie that someone was trying to be someone else..).
I have heard, though, that students resort to hiring others for a fee. This makes no sense in English speaking classes or composition, of course, but it does occur in other subjects.

cimarch · Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 358 Location: Dalian

A guy was caught impersonating someone else in my wife's college exams. He was removed and the student expelled.

The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing

Did someone tell on him, or was he asked for ID?

SimonM · Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 1835 Location: Toronto, Ontario

Brian D. Granberg · Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 6

I have a question that I would really like answered from "go with the flow" or anyone else that feels the same about cheating. If cheating is ok, what is the purpose of education? We are not talking about research here, we are talking about the disemination of knowledge that already exists. Don't you understand that condoning cheating only perpetuates one of the recognized biggest problems of China - corruption? The government is always saying how serious they are about curbing corruption (even if that conviction is hard to swallow at times).
On the other end is the same thing. I have been ordered to fail ten percent of my students no matter what their real grades have been. I have turned in their actual grades and told my dean that if they want to fail ten percent, they can do it themselves.
I have also taught courses where the headmaster has told me to give no grade lower than a B-. One time there were three students (teachers) who had not attended one session. Again I have turned in actual grades and told the headmaster to alter the grades as he saw fit. The first time I did this, I was a little hesistant but as time has progressed I think I have gained some respect for my stand.
What "go with the flow" and others of the same ilk do not understand is that there opinion about cheating does not hurt the cheaters. They are hurting themselves. The cheaters hurt the honest students who seriously put out an effort to learn.

YankeeDoodleDandy · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:52 am Post subject: Cheating

During final exams last week, I caught 6 students cheating. I took their exam papers away from them. A few days later, the dean of the English department was visibly upset and we came to the mutual conclusion that the students would take the exam over in September. A diploma or certificate is so valuable here these days. Cheating is not right. The pressure to succeed and pass is to tempting for some. I argued that if I let it go unnoticed that a diploma from this school's English department would be useless. I am now grading their Culture of the English Speaking World exams and it looks like I will be making a second exam for those who did not receive a mark of 60.

cimarch · Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 358 Location: Dalian

The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing