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[Justin Trullinger]

Erm, "tidbit" is spelled with a "d," in the US. It's one of those little transatlantic differences, I believe. (Although, come to think of it, I have no idea how a Canadian would spell it.)

Regards,
Justin

PS Stillnosheep, I don't know you well enough to call you the "rudest, most arrogant, poncing ponce on the planet." In any case, being from the US, I could hardly be expected to use the word "ponce," now could i?

[moonraven]

Justin,

I don't think he was referring to you, but to Weona.

[stillnosheep]

Hi Justin,

I had it a horrible that it would be (spelt with a "d") when I posted, but was too lazy to go back and delete. Also I was under the impression that the young whippersnapper was English and only semi-literate, I didn't realise that she was merely American .

Anyhow I said that she could call me names; not that you could.

Anyway If you really want to see the Europeans and the Americans get stuck into each other get yoursen over to China Off-topic. It's been line-em -up and drag-em-out there for weeks. And compared to the debates that go on between English Teachers in Japan on another Board, well, my comemnts to Weona could be regarded as practically a marriage proposal.



peace and love y'all

[Weona]

[JonnytheMann]

[JZer]

Weona wrote:

[moonraven]

JZer: AN adjective--not A adjective. Shot yourself in the foot again.

As for other mean-spitited misogynists/ageists on this forum like Johnny the MAN (how transparent can you be, woman-hater?), please be advised than Moonraven doesn't HATE 99% of native English speakers--hating is an activity specific to misogynists/ageists like you--she just isn't comfortable being around most of them.

Maybe because they are nasty little twerps like you? Possibily.

And please be advised that crones (witches) are both politically correct AND powerful. This one has plenty of candidates, always, for her bed. A superfluity of riches. No pasty-faced adolescents need apply.

[thelmadatter]

"crone" does not equal "witch"

[moonraven]

Ah, the politically incorrect one again. Thelma, you definitely do not run with the wolves.

Crone: Wise, Empowered, Self-Defined

Copyright � 1996, 1998 Bayla Bower

The crone eludes precise definition. Some traditions, organizations, and individuals variously define the crone as a woman who is 50, 52, or 56, post-menopausal, consciously aging, willing to acknowledge her shadow. Crone is a term used to describe an ancient archetype, an aspect of the triple goddess (maiden, mother, crone), and the third phrase of a woman�s life. When a woman is near, in, or past menopause, she is potentially a crone. The designation refers to a perspective or point of view rather age or biological change.

A woman who calls herself crone is willing to acknowledge her age, wisdom, and power. Through conscious self-definition, she helps to reverse hundreds of years of oppression, degradation, and abuse aimed at old women. Although she may prefer to be called elder, grandmother, or wise woman, she does not dismiss, disavow, or use pejoratively terms such as crone, witch, or hag. The wise woman/crone/grandmother realizes that the true meaning of these terms, and the woman-centered traditions from which they originate, have been obscured and distorted by patriarchal systems.

In ancient times, the crone was revered as an old woman who embodied wisdom and knew the truth of cyclic existence. Crones cared for the dying and were spiritual midwives at the end of life, the link in the cycle of death and rebirth. They were healers, teachers, way-showers, bearers of sacred power, knowers of mysteries, mediators between the world of spirit and the world of form. In prepatriarchal societies, women�s wisdom had healing power, and crone wisdom was the most potent of all. For nearly thirty thousand years, old women were strong, powerful sources of wisdom. Crones were respected and honored in their communities.

Then patriarchy demanded obedience to outer authority and acceptance of linear concepts. Death became a finality, the end of the line. Because crones followed inner guidance and knew the truth of the cycle of life, they were dangerous to the hierarchy. Old women were persecuted, shunned, and denigrated. Although our forecornes resisted, persisted, and adapted in any way they could, most of our traditions have been lost. The lineage of crone teachings, herbal remedies, sacred practices, and wise-woman ways was broken when the information was burned, buried, and otherwise silenced.

Crone consciousness is on the rise today, spreading in a grassroots movement through America and around the globe. We are awakening the ancient crone within ourselves, and learning to trust the power of our inner knowing. We will not become invisible, trivialized, or shamed by a society obsessed with youth and terrified of aging.

We honor each person�s wisdom, and take part in dismantling the ageist, ableist, racist, classist, sexist, heterosexist, and other hierarchical structures that separate us from ourselves, our forecrones, one another, and our connection with all beings. We teach, speak, and quietly inspire one another, all women, and all peoples who wish to embrace the totality of life.

We respect the crones who preceded us and pass on our wisdom to those who will follow. We tell our sacred stories one-to-one, in small and large gatherings, at meetings, events, and conferences. We name our blessings and challenges, the truths and treasures of our lives, sharing the harvest of our life experience. Empowered from within and strengthened by our growing numbers, we claim our place as wise-woman elders in our families, communities, and groupings. We are women of age, power, and wisdom. We are honored to be known as crones.

from: http://www.croning.org/pages/534083/index.htm

[JonnytheMann]

[thelmadatter]

Nothing in your response equated "crone" with "witch" Whether you equate "witch" with Wicca or with fairy tales, being a crone does not make you a witch.

As a Wiccan myself, Ive met wonderful people of all ages (and sexes) who are witches.

By the way, much your definition of "crone" can also be applied to "sage" - the male equivalent. Wisdom is not confined to the female sex.

[moonraven]

Johnny, I see: What you wrote to me is an example of how KIND and APPROPRIATE comments are made on this forum?

I fail to see what your experience with transvestites has to do with the concept of crones.

Or what YOU have to do with the purpose of this forum, either.

Why not start your own forum, where you can insult everybody who isn't a 13 to 20 year old white redneck male with impunity?

Thelma, you didn't read paragraph two: "Although she may prefer to be called elder, grandmother, or wise woman, she does not dismiss, disavow, or use pejoratively terms such as crone, witch, or hag."

I also did not imply that only women could be wise. I am not a hater of the opposite sex--quite the contrary.

Some crones are witches. This one, for example.

[JonnytheMann]

Moonraven, you are a battle-ax and a harridan. You makes Jezebel and Medusa look like Mother Theresa and Clara Barton. I dare you to put up a poll on the general forum that asks "Do you like me? .... Yes or No". Or why don't you put of a thread called "Who is the most loathed poster on ESL cafe?"

More books:

A Tale of Two Biddies

Untaming the Shrew: How to Become a Socialist, Nihilist, Cynical Virago

Communist Dogma Disguised as Grammar Lessons

Dry as a Desert: Quick Fixes for a Parched Chocha

P.S. F.a.g. hags are not transvestites. They are fabulous women who love having fabulous gay best friends.

[thelmadatter]

[grahamb]

Thelma, is being a Wiccan advantageous in the world of EFL? Does it make you a better speller? (Groan!)