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moonraven · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094

Before you can hand in any documents, you must deposit the correct amnoutn of money for the particular tramite in the bank//using the appropriate form.

thes80 · Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Mexico

Would you believe it? There is more to my pathetic story with INM.

I went back the other day for two reasons. One, I was hoping to talk to someone else about the visa question I had. Two, I needed to submit a letter to INM stating that I was no longer working at my job.

I was able to talk to someone else at the "information" counter. She wasn't wearing a uniform either, and I am pretty sure she knows less about the procedures that the last person I talked to. She actaully had enough pride to tell me she didn 't know, and she proceded to ask the "boy" I had talked to the first time I was there. He might have remembered me, and he gave me the same sort of "sure, you can do whatever you want" kind of answer he gave me the first time.

From there I got into the line to turn in documents. I gave my letter to a real INM official, and she in return gave me a bunch of papers to fill out and a check list. She told me to come back with all the completed papers and a bunch of photocopies of stuff. It was already after noon, and they close at one. I asked her when she wanted me to come back since I was leaving the next day on a plane. She became upset, took the papers out of my hand and threw my letter back at me. She told me to do it at the airport. Huh?

In the end, I gave up. I am returning to Mexico later. Do I really need to give the letter to the people at INM. I tried to do what I was told was right, and they wouldn't even accept it. Whats up?
Theo

Ben Round de Bloc · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946

moonraven · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094

Nicely put, Ben Round. As usual.

PlayadelSoul · Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 346 Location: Playa del Carmen

thes80 · Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 15 Location: Mexico

Tim - Very interesting reply. I did, however, like your suggestion about just getting a whole new FM3. That is exactly what I WAS going to do. However, since the people in migration would neither accept my letter or cancel my visa before I left, it looks as though this will not be a likely option.

Another problem was that the INM office closes at 1:00. I worked until 2:00 everyday. As a result, I only had one day in which I could go to INM and do all my paperwork. This is no one's fault...just the way it is. Clearly, it is unrealistic to think that INM could complete a simple procedure in one day.

Sorry you guys think my attitude sucks. However, I know I am not the only one dealing with INM problems. I have read other posters saying things about how wrong it is to work illegally, but where is the motivation to do it legally? I can't blame people for try to get around this system.

Thanks to everyone for the advice.
Theo

M@tt · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 473 Location: here and there

This whole thread reminds me of the fun times I had at the INM office in Cordoba. Only because other teachers took me was I able to find the place, which was discreetly located above a small photocopy shop. There were no external (or internal) signs, and my coworker jokingly said to the big kahuna "It's almost like you don't want people to know where to come." To which he replied "You're completely right."

At least photocopies were close at hand.

moonraven · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094

I know from personal experience that one of the hardest possible tasks is to turn in an FM-3 when leaving the country or when it has expired.

I learned from those experiences, and I no longer make the attempt.

I challenge Playa to provide evidence of anyone being fined for not turning in an FM-3.

PlayadelSoul · Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 346 Location: Playa del Carmen

In the past year, two of my teachers have been fined for leaving the country with their FM3 ("baja" by the company), reentering on a FMT, and then trying to "alta" their FM3s. One was fined 3,600 and the other was fined 1800.

What evidence I am supposed to provide is beyond me. I suppose you'll just have to take my word for it, which, of course, you won't. But, like the plane ticket�s not having the FMT added into the cost, you know better.

moonraven · Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Posts: 3094

They were not fined for not turning in their FM3s. FM3 renewal rules are very specific--they are to be done within 30 days of expiration. Once they expire, they are not renewable. Someone who tries to renew one under those circumstances is clearly someone who doesn't understand the rules and is therefore a prime target for being fined. I would label that a fine for being stupid.

The procedure is to enter on an FMT and get a NEW FM3. I have done that, and have referred in my letter to the INM delegate to the number of my previous EXPIRED FM3 to indicate that I have had one in the past, and have attached a copy of the LETTER issued with the FM3 as evidence of same. I have never been fined one centavo.

Ben Round de Bloc · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946

Ben Round de Bloc · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946

PlayadelSoul · Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 346 Location: Playa del Carmen

They were trying to reactivate their FM3s. They had originally left the company to go back home, and then decided to come back. It was such a nightmare that I have decided to forego rehiring those who leave, unless they get a preliminary OK from Immigration.

Of course, it is always best to develop a good relationship with Immigration. Those fines could have been much larger.